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This expresses that inane rage and their sheer determination of being often, offended..

I can remember listening to a new song last year on Youtube, put out by a rapper whose name I cannot remember, singing a song that I forgot the title of, but I do remember the chorus and it went along the line of "Feck you, feck you too". now, THAT I remembered. .

That particular tune contained some responses from the guy after he had been wronged by his now, ex gf. kicked her to the curb for being too narcissistic or something along those lines. That chorus immediately came to mind when I read Paul's article about the rantings from another mindless minion of that endless, nagging, feminastie movement..

They are akin to a being afflicted with herpes or eczema, that returns now and again just to remind you how annoying and irritating it really can be..

One would have imagined that they would finally run out of topics or subjects to moan and bitch about , but I was ofcourse, wrong. But they are on the way out and like that song echoes, kick em to the curb and one mustn't ofcourse forget the chorus as it definitely applies to such mindless incorrigibles as Courgette or was that Coquette and her ilk, chorus everyone... "feck you, feck you too"..

Nice catchy tune actually, expressed the topic nicely I thought..


Feminist Destination

I hate Dr. Tara Palmatier

And of course, consistent with the title of this article, I hate TyphonBlue, Teri Stoddard, Izzey and Girl Writes What. And those are just some of the women that have contributed to this website. Needless to say I hate Barbara Kay, Christina Hoff Sommers, Erin Pizzey, Katherine Young, Kathleen Parker, Phyllis Schlafly and all the upcoming  women, like Bettina Arndt, in the rising chorus of female voices that are critical of gender feminism, and who, shock of all shocks, think men and boys are getting a raw deal from society.
Oh my goodness, I almost forgot, I hate my mother, God rest her soul, my partner of 10 years, and every other woman who has ever lived.
In fact, if you ask a blogger named Coquette, who recently had her work posted to The Daily, my hatred of women is the only thing that drives me as a men’s activist. Well, that and my narcissistic rage.
She said this not of me personally, mainly because she didn’t name a single MRA, critique a single MRA position, or point to a shred of evidence that supports her conclusions. They are just a small part of a barrage of ad hominem and straw clutching offered up by Coquette as her response to the existence of the men’s rights movement.
She goes on to describe men’s activists as impotent, toxic, dangerous and twisted. How she left out bedwetting kitty-killers I will not try to ascertain. And how all this male shaming is supposed to apply to all the women now speaking on behalf of men’s rights will also remain a mystery.  Her entire argument hinges on casting MRA’s as a bunch of unidentified males who can’t get laid.
I had high hopes when I recently offered some heartfelt advice to those so threatened by the idea of men and boys being treated equally under the law that they have gone on the attack in the media. I wanted to help them see the wisdom of actually arguing points of fact and addressing issues head on, as well as the wisdom of not throwing rotten eggs at your enemy that just wind up landing on your own head.
It is disappointing to see they didn’t take that advice, but I won’t let that stop me from another opportunity to point to their stupidity and laugh. Once more we review the basics, which are not near as laughable as the likes of Coquette.
Men are:
94% of industrial deaths and accident (NIOSH)
76% of homicide victims – DOJ
80% of Suicide victims – CDC
The overwhelming majority of rape victims.
Male rape has been called “The most closely guarded secret of American prisons.” (Weiss and Friar 1974) There are estimated to be over 300,000 male rapes per year in American prisons and jails.
Of the top fifteen leading causes of death, men lead in 12 categories, are tied in two and trail in one.  Even though more women die of heart disease each year, men die of heart disease many years earlierCDC
Yet while there are numerous federal offices on women’s and girl’s health, not a single one exists for men or boys.
There is blatant anti-male discrimination in the criminal justice system and the sentencing disparity between men and women exceeds that between whites and any other minority – DOJ
A man convicted of a capital crime is TEN times more likely to be executed than a woman for the same offense.
There is more, of course; much, much more. So complete is the list of laws and institutions that favor women at the expense of men that we keep a more complete list of them here for reference. All you have to do to see the staggering unfairness of it is imagine that men are human beings.
While Coquette and others are waxing paranoid and hysterical about men’s advocates being dangerous and twisted, these are still the issues driving what we do, and no amount of sexist shaming is going to make them, or us, go away.
We are only dangerous to ideas that have long been exposed as sexist and socially destructive, and the notion that we are on the way out isn’t exactly supported by the mainstreams increasingly panicked and pathetic attempts to marginalize us.
Bernard Chapin sent the link to Coquette’s piece, and quickly put forth his own reaction. View it here.
Spot on, Mr. Chapin.
Perhaps though, the most telling bit of drivel hammered thought Coquette’s keyboard was saved for the end of the article. Says she:
That being said, it’s not fair for me to summarily dismiss all men’s rights issues because of the questionable character of certain men’s rights activists. A number of the issues themselves have some merit, especially those in regard to gender neutrality in the practice of divorce, paternity, and child custody law. 
Of course, the legitimacy of any particular issue doesn’t legitimize men’s rights activism in general, and it sure as hell doesn’t excuse the movement’s undeniable undercurrent of hatred towards women.
Oh, I get it now. The issues are legitimate, just not the people talking about them. There are problems with divorce, paternity and child custody, but the people who are most affected by those problems can’t talk about them because Coquette and a bunch of other myopic idiots will call them hateful for doing it.
In the last two paragraphs of her piece, Coquette demonstrates perfectly the ideological arrogance and hypocrisy that forms the crumbling foundation of gender feminism. Hell, she is even making our points for us while telling is to shut up about them.
And that, I suppose is also more evidence of how effective we have become, and where this dialogue is ultimately headed.
Just like the SPLC and others who have recently produced slipshod attacks on the MRM, Coquette was forced to acknowledge the validity of the issues, even if in a dismissive, grudging way. The podium has already changed enough in terms of ownership that they are forced to publicly acknowledge the issues, even as they attack us for talking about them. Why? Because the public is catching on to the issues now.
They are watching injustice swallow their son’s and fathers and brothers; seeing them fail out of schools, railroaded in family courts and dragged through the mud of public opinion after false allegations. This is happening to real, flesh and blood men and boys who are loved and connected to family, not just some imaginary fat cats at the top of society’s ladder. The days when “men have nothing to complain about” are part of the cultural memory, but not the current dialogue. And these lying pieces of shit know it.
Undoubtedly, the men’s movement is a reaction to the excesses of modern feminism, and to the age old excesses of male disposability inherent in the old paradigm. It has been a long time coming.
The real knee-jerk reaction, though, is coming from the other side of this. Complacent gender ideologues, feminists, have counted on and enjoyed obsequious silence from the masses for half a century as they busied themselves with advocacy for sexual elitism on behalf of women, with men and boys picking up the tab.
That gravy train is about to derail, and that right quickly. One set of wheels is already off the track. You can even see that in the comments to Coquette’s piece, which without exception trash her for being the ignorant bigot that she is. Like I said, the choo choo is hittin’ poo poo.
For the first time ever, there is mounting public opposition to VAWA that is translating to “no” votes on the floor of congress. It is not because of MRA’s directly, but because we have presented the facts about domestic violence –  and the uglier facts about domestic violence industry – to the public in defiance of people like Coquette. And now they are listening. It is no longer political suicide to vote against that corrupt piece of legislation because people are no longer buying that it is a vote against women.
And check this out. The Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker, has just REPEALED the equal pay law in that state. Does that sound like a joke? It’s not. Of course, the write up about it linked here is all aghast at this as the lefts newly dubbed War on Women, but even in that article they could not ignore (but oh, they mightily tried) the real rationale for the move.
After criticizing Walker for the un-p.c. recognition that men who were heads of households actually need to make money commensurate with their obligations, they let the real impetus for the change slip through the cracks.
The law was repealed because there is no gender wage gap. It is pure feminist mythology that has been debunked time and time again. Walker simply took the highly novel initiative to repeal a law that never had a basis in reality to begin with. That knowledge would never have been expressed by a sitting governor unless someone, perhaps a group of frustrated guys who can’t get laid, had not so doggedly pushed for the truth to prevail over ideological falsehoods.
And THAT, my friends, is precisely why we are under attack. And why the attacks are so completely foolish and inept. We are getting the truth – aka feminist Kryptonite – out there.
So expect the trend to continue. You will see more and more votes against VAWA, and more push back against corrupt laws based on agitprop and misinformation. And each time you do, you will see someone rush out here to the internet to attack this website, someone like Bernard Chapin, or as in this case, a generalized attack on unidentified meanies who are at once terribly dangerous and pathetically impotent.
It is the only thing they can do, folks, because they cannot ever really address the issues. But the times they are a changing. The worm is turning and lies are burning. Their whole house of cards is about to go up in a puff. What you are seeing is just the desperation that comes with them waking up to it.
Believe me, it does my heart good. Just to see their frantic scrambling to point the finger at me and my brothers, while they comically pretend our sisters aren’t standing right next to us, every time one more their lies bites the dust, is an absolute highlight in my day.
Must be time to crank up the action around here.

Written by Paul Elam


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Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men and the founder and co-host of A Voice for Men Radio. He is also the Dean of Student Affairs at FTSU.

When called upon to act and behave in an honourable and caring fashion, it was not the MRAs or members of the MRM that fell short. Compassion and care for another individual should never be denigrated or taken for granted.But when our "opposers", our so called self admitted enemies, that is the slut-feminists and their enablers, wished for the death of a member of society, solely due to the fact that they disagree with their warped doctrine, one has to ask where their humanity lies or whether they have any at all.

I can understand the occasional vitriolic comment or the bursts of hate I and many other receive as comments..
I can understand why someone would refuse to discuss an issue because they just cannot find words to defend their case without resorting to abuse and strawman arguments.
 I can also understand why any slut-feminist truly hates any member of the MRM and MRAs in particular, because they think that have been as brainwashed as they are. But I can and will never be able to understand why anyone would publicly promote or join in celebrating the death of any individual, as that defies common sense, defies common decency, it also indicates that their thinking has reached an incomprehensible level of hate, that should never be taken any further than a thought process, rather than having it exposed in public..

It does however demonstrate the level of hate and the type of people that slut-feminism has attracted and the hate merchants they have now going to bat for their seemingly futile and irrelevant cause

That level of hate is and can never be justified, regardless of the excuses submitted, if any at all..

This is the level of hate and violence that slut-feminism promotes and fails to speak out against. While they wait for the situation to get even worse. It is their responsibility to hit that type of hate language on the head but I don't see one single individual stating any regrets or discouragement. It really is a sad and repulsive state of affairs..



And the song plays on

The Huffington Post has jumped on the SPLC bandwagon, and written an article targeting the men’s movement, this website, and the men’s rights subreddit at reddit.com.
The article is glaring with factual errors and direct falsehoods, including the incredible claim that “The Innocence Project” is a product of the Men’s Movement. There are equally off target claims on nearly every line of the piece. They couldn’t even manage to write the headline without trying to shame MRA’s by telling us to “grow some.” On a normal business day I would walk you through that generic Huffpo writer’s lines of broken logic and repeated falsehoods, for your entertainment if not for anything else.
Today, however, is not just another business day. Today I will just link you to the article. Read it at your leisure or don’t. You have heard it all before. They have us all figured out, only they don’t know even the most fundamental things about us. Same shit, different day.
It has become apparent that after keeping their heads in the sand for as long as possible that some elements in the mainstream are waking up to the fact that the MRM is here to stay, and growing.
They are freaking out.
The SPLC fiasco was an orchestrated warning shot (with Huffpo likely being a hapless, tagalong follow up). They clearly don’t understand the nature of this thing well enough to know that coming after us this way is like trying to stop a thunderstorm by going after one raindrop at a time. I am happy for them to do this. It gives us a bounce in publicity and does nothing to slow things down.
But there is another concern here which takes us back to why this is not just another day in the MRM.
Recently we went through a crisis that, unlike what SPLC and Huffpo can muster, was real. One of our more respected members became despondent and sent me an email in which he stated he was going to end his life. Luckily, with the help of MRA’s we were able to track him down and get some help to him before he took himself out. We still don’t know exactly how he is doing, except that today we are reasonably certain that he is still in the land of the living.
His breaking point was exactly what many of our adversaries want.  Or, as one feminist troll on Reddit quipped hopefully, “1 down 35,000 to go.”
This is not just an isolated scumbag. There are others out there, sitting in corners and lurking, waiting for MRA’s to make posts expressing their feelings of hopelessness. And when that happens, they come out of the woodwork wherever people like David Futrelle hang out, like the SRS subreddit; the same place that assumed feminists were recently taunting suicidal men; goading them; hoping to push them toward ending their own lives.
This is, in the end, who we are dealing with. It is a population of people that want to target the many wounded men that find refuge in this movement and urge them toward the unspeakable.
I can hear the fembots screeching now some crap about how those aren’t real feminists and not to blame them for the actions of a few.  Forget about it. As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between someone who will say, ‘1 down, 35,000 to go,” and other scumbags that will treat abused, disheartened men like they are hate-mongers, or better yet misogynistic whiners that are pettily grieving for some confabulated illusion of male privilege that they don’t and never did have. It is just as cruel and depraved.
It is hard for me to start in on these “people” and not write a book about it, but that is not why I am writing this article.
What I want to say today is that I know what these immoral bigots refuse to understand, and refuse to care about when they do. There are a lot of desperate and damaged men in this movement; men who have been taken to hell and back by a system that started throwing them overboard 50 years ago; men who have not seen their beloved children in years, men living in squalor, working in servitude to a system that owns them like chattel; men who have been destroyed by evil, outrageous lies – taken as gospel by authorities who just don’t give a damn about truth or justice.
We have men in this movement who have been stripped of everything; who have not even been allowed to hang on to their freedom or their dignity. And now, in this faltering, but still female-centric economic climate, we have legions of men who are destitute, homeless, and who see only bleakness in the days ahead. The cruel icing on that cake is that they still live in a world that tells them they are worthless if they are not financially successful.
In short, we have more than our share of men teetering on the edge.
Of course, we don’t have much of any services that are wired to deal with these men, and almost nothing in the way of social understanding.  Increasing numbers of men are, for all most of the world cares, simply a bunch of broken appliances; outmoded, useless and taking up too much room. And the moment some reach out for compassion or help, there are more than a few that will shove the knife in deeper and twist.
It sounds terrible, and it is. But there is another side to this as well. When our friend Factory reached out, many, many in the MRM offered whatever they could to help. I had offers of help from the town in which he lives. I had emails of support from people who offered to do whatever was asked. I am still getting messages inquiring about how he is doing. There were people, men and women, from Texas to California to British Columbia to Saskatchewan, all taking action of some kind or another. All of this from MRA’s and MRA’s only.
And that is worth writing about. It is a much more important message than dwelling on the society of human garbage in which men and boys currently find themselves living.
I want to encourage those MRA’s who are not in the worst of times to please continue to watch out for those who are. And for the many of you who are just hanging on, hang on a little tighter. If you need help, please let someone know. We will work something out. Scratch and claw if you have to, but choose to live. We have a long way to go, and we need you. Not to mention the fact that despite what people who oppose our cause think, you are worth staying alive just for the sake of living.
Perhaps someday when our culture recognizes that men are human beings we can quit operating everything for them on tattered old shoe strings and the men’s movement can actually start funding some services to help men in crisis. Till then, please hang in there and help us get down that road.

Written by Paul Elam


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Paul Elam is the founder and publisher of A Voice for Men and the founder and co-host of A Voice for Men Radio. He is also the Dean of Student Affairs at FTSU.
 




When anyone has a difference of opinion regarding any issue, one would at least expect the courtesy of being able to discuss that difference of opinion in a civilised and practical way. If and when anyone agrees or disagrees, whether they either agree or disagree with said topic or article or opinion piece. It would be assumed that that opinion is at least heard rather than shouted down. That is normally how consensus is built and a positive outcome reached. Part of those processes are usually a compromise in order to reach some level of cohesion or workable idea and outcome..

It has always been the mainstay of the Men's Movement to succinctly put across considered and well thought out response and argument in pointing out why we are against certain aspects of the feminist rationale. Not purely for the reason of "because it's there" but because many in the MM realised that the way they presented their arguments and justification for their actions were plainly hypocritical, discriminatory as well as sexist, which they claimed they were supposedly working against..

In the past there have been quite a few efforts at engaging feminists, either by demand, suggestion or recommendation and on the odd occasion it was taken up and as usual it came to absolutely no practical outcome whatsoever. The reason for that negative outcome was solely due to the fact that feminists refused to budge from their blatant and obvious lies and hypocrisy. The case in point would be the Futrelle and Elam debate, which would have had a positive outcome if the male feminist had not introduced their own manufactured studied lies and misinformation, as proof of enforcing their viewpoint as sacrosanct. Bear in mind that a similar discussion eventuated between the MM and PUA(Pick Up Artist) community in which the debaters worked out differences and everyone walked away with a better outlook to both viewpoints. Differences were examined and discussed, worked out and all or most went away with a feeling or sense of a job well done. That use to be what discussions and debates were all about..

But with feminists, this is never the case. We have in the past witnessed their leaders demonstrate some minutiae of regret at the methods they used to discriminate against men and often women as well. But apart from that, their attitude is one of "We are Right and You are Wrong". Which does not give any hope of ever reaching some level of compromise as that attitude demands that one side must win over the other..

I can give you many examples on how feminists respond to legitimate attempts at discussing issues.Here are a few that I have come across personally..
MRA - Should the Education departments be concentrating on one sex and ignoring the other?

Feminist response - You're sexist.

MRA - Where VAWA is concerned, why is it possible for a foreign female to be able to make false assault claims against a citizen of that country and have the government help convict him?.

Feminist Response - You're racist.

MRA - How is it possible that a mother can deny access to the Father to see his children?

Feminist Response - You live in your mother's cellar and you have a small dick..
You may think that those comments are exaggerations, but anyone who has spent any time on feminist sites, posing similar questions, did and would have received those usual evasive personal attacks as standard feminist responses and behaviour. That type of action signifies precisely that feminists have no leg to stand on whenever they are faced with sincere questions quiring some of their doctrine or viewpoint. Even that outcome varies to such a degree that one would have to allow for the different types of feminists there are as each sector or segment of that movement has a differing viewpoint, opinion or explanation and not one single explanation is the same..

So, what are the chances of dialogue or constructive discussions with that irrational hate movement ? absolutely none. That is unless and when they decide to grow up and stop behaving like spoilt children who continually demand their own way and everyone else is ignored or demeaned as and treated as irrelevant..




VAWA is the one single document that has declared war on men, this one single piece of legislation has over the last couple of decades determined that discrimination and sexism will be the order of the day against all men plus be the standard behaviour. This document promotes hate and violence against all men and boys under the claim that it is to stop "Violence against Women" which is in itself a sexist and discriminatory title as well as action.. 

It is designed to remove the fundamental basic human rights of one sex at the complete and total cost and expense of the other. VAWA is also a funnel that directs a Billion dollars per year to the feminist cause as Phyllis Schlafly states. VAWA has to go..

Day of Reckoning for Violence Against Women Act
Phyllis Schlafly
February 7, 2012

The reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee on February 2 on a straight party-line vote. That proves again that the feminists control the Democratic Party, and also is a refreshing indication that Republicans are no longer intimidated by feminist demands.
VAWA was originally passed by Congress in 1994, with Bill Clinton pushing the law as a payoff to the feminists for supporting his election as President. Joe Biden claims credit as a major sponsor and likes to say it is the legislation of which he is most proud.
In its 17 years of operation, it has done little or no good for real victims of domestic violence, while its funds have been used to fill feminist coffers and to lobby for feminist objectives and laws. Although every spending bill should be subject to rigorous auditing procedures in order to curb waste and fraud, VAWA has somehow ducked accountability for the nearly a billion dollars a year it doles out to radical feminist organizations.
Despite rigid feminist dogma that there are no gender differences, VAWA is totally grounded in feminist-created gender stereotypes. Starting with its title, Violence Against Women, its fundamental assumption is that men are naturally batterers and women are naturally victims.
In other words, men are always guilty, and women must always be believed without fear of being punished for perjury. VAWA assumes there is no violence against men, and VAWA doesn’t provide services for men who are victims of domestic violence.
The feminists have so broadened the definition of domestic violence that it doesn’t have to be violent and can be whatever a woman alleges. Definitions of domestic violence include vague and overbroad concepts such as emotional distress, harassment, annoyance, or merely unpleasant speech.
Feminist recipients of VAWA’s handouts use the money to train legislators, judges and prosecutors in feminist ideology and goals. This has resulted in dozens of state laws calling for mandatory arrest (i.e., the police must arrest someone, so guess who), and no-drop prosecution (i.e., the man must be prosecuted even in the large percentage of cases where the woman has withdrawn her accusation or refuses to testify).
Instead of promoting divorce, breakup of marriage, and hatred of men, VAWA should be revised to encourage counseling when appropriate and voluntary. Some VAWA money should be used for programs to help couples terminate use of illegal drugs and reduce the use of alcohol.
Any man who is accused of domestic violence effectively loses a long list of constitutional rights accorded to ordinary criminals. These include due process, presumption that he is innocent until proven guilty, equal treatment under the law, right to a fair trial, right to confront his accusers, freedom of speech, right to privacy in family matters, custody or visitation with his own children, and even the right to bear arms.
The woman is provided with legal representation even though she has not presented any evidence of injury or harm. The man gets no such help.
About a fourth of divorces involve an allegation of domestic violence, which in many cases is false or without any evidence. Those allegations usually result in the issuance of restraining orders which the Illinois Bar Association has referred to as “part of the gamesmanship of divorce.”
It’s no surprise that VAWA is often referred to as the hate-men law. The attitude of many judges and prosecutors who have been trained by the feminists with VAWA funds was expressed by one New Jersey judge whose extravagant statement was even reported in the New Jersey Law Journal: “Your job is not to become concerned about all the constitutional rights of the man that you’re violating as you grant a restraining order. Throw him out on the street, give him the clothes on his back, and tell him, ‘See ya’ around.’”
Judges are required to consider allegations of domestic violence in awarding child custody, even though no evidence of abuse is presented. This usually results in the complete severing of child’s relationship with his father.
VAWA should be completely revised to provide meaningful definitions of domestic violence that are specific enough to identify real victims, to stop the over-criminalization of minor partner discord, to emphasize counseling rather than incarceration, to assure that training programs for prosecutors and judges are objective, to assure accountability by tracking the large flow of taxpayers’ money, to respect fathers’ rights, to inspect shelters to evaluate success and fairness, and to develop programs to address the common problem of mutual partner abuse.
If VAWA is not reformed to respect constitutional rights, it will turn out to be a major embarrassment to all Members of Congress who vote for it.
Source:

A Voice for Men Radio..

Republicans Say No to VAWA!



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One does have to wonder why we have those endless attacks by the feminasties against MRA(Men's Rights Activists) or in my case a "Male Renaissance Agitator" ( a phrase coined by Fidelbogen ).
Renaissance - Origin: 1830–40; < French, Middle French: rebirth, equivalent to renaiss- (stem of renaistre to be born again < Latin renāscī; re- re- + nāscī to be born) + -ance -ance
Appropriate, as MRA's existed in the early 19th Century for the same reason we exist today. That being,  that we refuse to be trodden underfoot, discarded as cannon fodder and relegated to third class citizenry. The ongoing attacks by "Male" feminists like Futrelle et al, really is something to behold. Let me show you why..
Futrelle - When I started my blog Man Boobz around six months ago, I intended to mostly discuss the issues motivating those in the Men’s Rights Movement, and to highlight some of the sillier misogynist emanations from men’s rights activists (MRAs). But the more I delved into the movement online, the more convinced I became that, for most of those involved in it, the movement isn’t really about the issues at all.
" the movement isn’t really about the issues at all." That statement, made me think of something written in the past, I have grave doubts that it was intentional, as that would require some knowledge of history and those malcontents are already too busy trying to rewrite it. The line that came to mind was a reference to Bill Shakespeare's "Much ado about nothing"..

I wonder why they feel so threatened by MRA's ?

The "..movement isn't really about about much at all" contradicts the author as Futreelle spends most of his time, just like Hugo, writing about issues that in their opinion, is really about nothing. One does have to wonder if he can actually detect any irony in his own comments, one also wonders if he is capable. I know the girls have a similar problem understanding irony, so one has to wonder if there have been changes underfoot or under boob!

 For number two, includes an obvious lie, we have this remark -
"I intended to mostly discuss the issues motivating those in the Men’s Rights Movement"
That statement is as far from the truth as anything can be. Futtrele's  ulterior motive has always been  solely motivated by his hate of any resistance to the feminist hegemony. He continually produces any   remarks or comments made by any individual, that he perceives to be a member or claims to be or assumes to be and selects the most offensive comment he can find (by scanning/monitoring selected forums, blogs and sites), even though the individual, making the comment may not even be a member or remotely regarded as such or could even been a deliberate plant, an impostor/troll in order to produce  grist for his slander mill, creating new headlines he elevates as being representative or being the general attitude of the MM and/or MRAs. I and many others have witnessed these trolls on quite a few occasions. I definitely would not put it past these opponents to introduce someone in order to play or enhance the vitriol they constantly spew at the slightest excuse.

This is precisely what this recalcitrants indulges in, locating tripe and trivia, blowing it out of proportion and exposing it as the latest "News" release and introducing imaginary issue..

This is normal behavior for any feminist, I expected this dishonesty and highly questionable behavior. I have come to expect nothing less. In order for anyone to become a feminist, one must shred their integrity, abdicate their honesty and throw their dignity out the door. It appears to be standard operating procedure, you cannot be a feminist and have a conscience at the same time..

Their mantra should contain "Eat, Drink, Cheat and Lie", it would be more accurate..

What's Wrong with David Futrelle: A Comprehensive List

What Futtrelle avoids mentioning is ofcourse the sound thrashing he received at the hands of Paul Elam, when Paul threw down the gauntlet and challenged this ranting, raging Lothario  they debated those "Issues" that he claims to want to discuss, remember those "issues motivating those.." in the men's movement. The debate did not last long at all. The lothario gathered up what was left of his hubris and headed home, dragging his teddy behind..
Sad to say, well actually not really, that Manboobs took some time to recover, as his little spot in the corner, where he was licking his wounds and denying his medication, had to come to an end, sooner or later he would have to face reality again as he was actually starting to loose weight..

Feminists peeing standing Up, whoopie..
The problem that Frutthelle has ofcourse is the fact that feminists have built their argument on lies, exaggerations and half-truthes, no one is going to win any argument with that as their foundation. Add to that the copious examples of old feminists, their leaders like Friedan and Dworkin and the "female Pedophile" Greer, these women were seriously afflicted, either deranged (Dworkin), affected by psychological issues(Friedan) or demonstrated their warped outlook to the world with delusional, imaginary, greatly exaggerated books, going against their own beliefs (Greer, will not release her doctorate thesis as it would totally contradict her book "The  Female Eunuch"), when asked about her childhood, it was her mother who had greatly abused her)..

When one looks at the overall standard of people who promote that feminist Movement, the "leading" feminists, most are authors of male-bashing, male denigrating books and studies and preach their hate on lecture tours disguised as growth opportunities. You can see why feminists are impossible to deal with. On most occasions, whenever you look at any prominent feminists on the web and delve into their background, you will inevitably find major issues in their own lives, either psychological or physiological (sexual deviance and lesbianism) issues and they use feminism and it's doctrine of hate to rage against everyone and that includes both Men and Women..






The Tory Shepherds of this world are to be pitied if anything else, they demonstrate their tunnel visioned ignorance and project their own hate and stupidity into their own written word. These are the same journalists who claim they are for "equality" and all things to make equal. Yet, their own reality, or the lack of it, is demonstrated as they baulk against a movement who in reality is doing what feminists refuse to do.. 

Feminists  cannot, in any shape or form, demonstrate that they are not the biased bigots that we have tirelessly demonstrated them to be via facts and via their own spoken words. One does not have to make any effort these days to find that vitriol and malice, just Google it..  Feminists project that in their every waking minute and via their own daily utterances..

 They literally condemn themselves by their own actions. They condemn themselves every time they open their mouths..


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A hard rains gonna fall: how hard is up to you

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. 
~ John F. Kennedy
The Punch, an Australian website, employs Tory Shepherd, a feminist activist that has done some bit writing for a few mainstream outlets. She has recently pledged to debunk the men’s rights movement and has begun a series of articles to that end. However, all that has materialized is two short, poorly articulated rants, completely devoid of substance.
In her first piece, she created her own talking points for the men’s rights movement. Yes, she created them, herself, without speaking to or even quoting any men’s activists, and then asserted that she was going to debunk the points she had written, representing them as coming from the MRM. This particular fact seemed to go unnoticed by a following of fellow ideologues, most of which appeared to have no more interest in journalistic integrity than The Punch, or indeed Shepherd herself.
The second piece, recently released, was a cursory overview of conspiracy theorists that didn’t even address the men’s movement, except by loose and tacit implication. It looked to be written in about 10 minutes; an even less involved effort than the first article. Shepherds failure is complete, but it did not emerge from a void.  It was not a coincidence she came out at this particular time and with puerile conduct and taunting that she alleged was a critique of the men’s movement. Lest anyone forget, AVfM is engaged in an ongoing exposé of the corrupt influence currently within the Australian government. It is well researched and meticulously documented. Shepherd is fabricating MRA talking points and using the approach of diversionary ridicule because she cannot contend with the facts in the case, which have been made available in abundance by AVfM research editor Kyle Lovett and managing editor John the Other. A review of her articles reveals she does not dispute any of those facts. She doesn’t because she can’t without digging a deeper hole for herself.
So while she is useless in terms of vetting facts and meaningful discourse, and has presented her series clearly to attempt to personally malign the messengers bearing the information, she has nonetheless brought more attention to the matter, which does help us present it to more Australians who will not hear about it from their own mainstream media.  For anyone visiting this site for the first time, a great deal of that information is available here, and here.
Since Shepherd is not delivering on “debunking” her own assertions as promised, I hoped to fill in some of that gap here. There is debunking that needs to happen, mainly of the idea that there is no need for a men’s movement as a reaction to feminism. Shepherd alludes to it, as has every gender feminist ideologue that I have ever seen address the subject. It is a common theme that feminists are increasing in volume and frequency as the numbers of men participating in the men’s movement continues to steadily increase.
For those that want the basics on the issues faced by men and boys, we have many of them documented here on our Facts Page. Then there is the matter of why men face these issues but have taken so long to even begin doing anything about them. Part of the reason is biology and socialization. Despite feminist rhetoric, men, by their nature, are much more apt to take care of women than themselves. Then there is social pressure. Men don’t take very good care of themselves and that is pretty much the way society likes it. We like men to be strong and independent. It makes them good protectors and providers. Unfortunately, we don’t much like them to be weak or in need. Socially speaking, it is not considered very masculine.
But there is another force at play here; one that also works against men and women who have evaluated the male gender role and found aspects of it detrimental to men and boys in modern times, as well as observing the various ways men and boys face discrimination and prejudice. Those who act on those observations, politically and socially, are who we refer to as men’s rights activists/advocates, or MRA’s.
Let’s take a moment, aside from the information on The Facts page, to consider just a few recent events that have induced even more people to take a stand:

    • After ten years of abuse by the family courts in New Hampshire, Thomas James Ball walked up the courthouse steps and self-immolated in protest.[1] News coverage of the horrific suicide stalled and died with Ball, at the local level. Wikipedia, which maintains a list of political self-immolations, declined to add Ball to the list,[2] and in fact refused to include his story on their pages, citing “irrelevance.”[3]
    • The Obama Administration issued a “Dear Colleague,” letter, advising American institutions of higher education that federal funding would be withheld if they did not reduce the standard of proof in sexually related allegations to that of “preponderance of the evidence,” likewise removing the rights of the accused to face their accuser or utilize other aspects of due process, leaving many to have their lives ruined on allegation alone.[4]
    • Australia is now embarking on a path that includes criminalizing a man for not talking to his wife enough and for making a purchase without including her in the decision, as well as revoking his right to bail if he is arrested for these things. [5] Activists have used egregiously fraudulent documentation and deception to further this political agenda.[6]
    • In India, men are forbidden to ride on “woman only” train cars, and have been beaten, publicly humiliated and even thrown from moving trains for straying on to the wrong car.[7][8] Also in India, politicians are pushing for a law that would pay women a bounty for publicly beating their husbands; a law which would escalate the amount of payment with the severity of the beating.[9]
    • In Sweden, the murderous ideology of Valerie Solanas has been translated into plays for school children that glorify bloodlust and murder, and at least tacitly advocate for the extermination of men altogether.[10]
    • Men constitute the lion’s share of combat deaths[11], workplace deaths[12], suicide deaths[13], and are afflicted with almost every known human malady and disease more frequently and more severely than women.
    • We have a number of offices and agencies concerned with women’s health[14], and none for men.[15] In the US we have a staggering,staggering amount of other government agencies and social organizations dedicated to the welfare of women.[16] Efforts by well-meaning individuals to take an interest matters that adversely affect men are met with disdain, vicious personal attacks and death threats.[17][18][19]
The current ridicule and dishonest “journalism” being presented at The Punch is just another example in a long list of attempts to mischaracterize the men’s movement.
Meanwhile, the predominant social narrative is that we live in a patriarchy that operates for the enrichment of all men at the expense of all women. That narrative includes the frequent characterization of men as inferior and sub-human, deserving of every misfortune this society can manufacture and inflict upon them, including the draconian and outrageous matters listed above. Those who vociferously object to these injustices are now targeted with increasing invective and condemnation. The default criticism rests on the allegation of pathological anger.
Yes, we are accused of being angry, about gross injustice, as though we are not supposed to be.  We are accused of having hostile feelings about sweeping social  bigotry; which is to say, in all earnestness, we are accused of possessing human compassion and good values; accused of advocating for a more fair society. In the eyes of ideologues like Shepherd, those values and the compassion are the real problem. She just attacks the anger because it is easier, and she plays on the perception of men as all-powerful to excuse and justify it.
Normally, in the routine course of my work, I would spend at least some time donning a psychological and emotional biohazard suit and plumbing the depths of this mentality in order to try to understand what is driving it. And indeed I am truly curious as to what festering, morally atrophied deviation of humanity could look at anything approaching this level of discrimination and suffering without becoming angry. But I honestly think at this point there is more value in prognostication than etiology.
What is more significant here, and speaks directly to the core of the men’s movement, is the probable fallout from continued neglect of, and indifference toward, these issues. What feminists fail to understand, by choice or ignorance, is that we are attempting to prevent the likes of Thomas James Ball, not inspire it. His inspiration came from policies feminists support; the very policies which we oppose. Thomas Ball represents a tragic, dysfunctional reaction to chronic, systemic abuse. There are many possible reactions. Some even worse than his. And while we cannot, must not, condone violence, we had better learn to expect it as long as an ideological war against men is allowed to make a battlefield in our justice system and within the heart of our own families.
When people are subjected to hatred, bigotry and legal persecution – they always eventually react. Anyone who does not believe that has never cracked a history book. Some of the stories are chilling. There have been acts committed in the name of legitimate civil rights that are inexcusable. But they are an unavoidable part of the human condition. Inflict enough pain, as America did on blacks, and you get cities ablaze. There were burning buildings, bodies in the street and a nation torn apart. All of it could have been avoided with justice and compassion.
When you look at what is happening with feminist influence across much of the planet, you see the same formula coming into play. Pressure is building. That is precisely why even Tory Shepherd expressed caution about a men’s movement that is on the rise. The only release valve for that pressure is the recognition and amelioration of injustices against men, but we are moving, horrifically, in the wrong direction.
This isn’t some specially privileged information that we MRA’s hold license to. All you have to do is read the articles of Kyle Lovett or John the Other, visit The Facts Page here, or investigate the bullet points laid out above and you will see the problem, and why we are angry about it. It is all there in open view available for anyone. The only thing preventing anyone from seeing all this and being angry about it is apathy, indifference, and frequently, evil.
The good news here is that things will eventually change. The bad news is that it will not be easy or comfortable. The social pendulum cannot be controlled. It will swing, back and forth, seeking as always to find balance and equilibrium. It will at times knock people and institutions over in the process. Surely as physics apply in the physical world, they similarly govern our societal existence. Men and boys are under fire, in deep trouble. Most of those problems have emerged in a zeitgeist that fosters hate and indifference toward them. They are losing in our families, our schools, our courts and our media. And they are not losing to women’s rights. They are losing to hatred and depraved indifference. Regardless of anyone’s judgments or prejudices, it is fostering a reaction that is gaining visible momentum. Even as the likes of Tory Shepher denies all else, she is not denying that at all.
Whether it becomes a wave of social change, or a violent tempest of indignation and fury, the pendulum will continue to swing. The men’s movement is pushing for the former, because without that, the latter is the only thing we are left with.
Sources
[1] Free Keene, June 2011
[2] http://familyrights.us/news/archive/2011/june/thomas_james_ball/wiki.html
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation
[4]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576516232905230642.html
[5]http://www.fahcsia.gov.au/sa/women/pubs/violence/np_time_for_action/national_plan/Pages/default.aspx
[6] http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/fostering-discrimination-through-lies/
[7] http://hahajk.com/newz/world-news/man-beaten-off-womans-train-in-india/
[8] http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-12-15/kolkata/28244162_1_constable-ladies-compartment-train
[9] http://www.deccanherald.com/content/193470/pati-patni-ten-thousand.html
[10] http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=http://www.pellebilling.se/2011/11/scum-forestallningen-kontext-ar-allt/&ei=k9rKTuCyMuPZ0QHN0_hn&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpelle%2Bbilling%2Bscum%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D695%26bih%3D835%26prmd%3Dimvns
[11] http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=psc_working_papers
[12] http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm
[13] http://www.suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html
[14] http://www.womenshealth.gov/
[15] http://www.glennsacks.com/mens_silent_health.htm
[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women’s_organizations
[17] http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V70-Gender-symmetry-PV-Chap-11-09.pdf
[18] http://books.google.com/books?id=5g4tc4WZRvYC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=Letter+from+richard+gelles+on+death+threats&source=bl&ots=jUCfrWEYdB&sig=2Ci_MpDNSwjo3HhabY36hw4fCzI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CR0OT_LwAaKbiQKq_bzHDQ&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Letter%20from%20richard%20gelles%20on%20death%20threats&f=false
[19] http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/04/08/mens-studies-too-feminist-for-you-meet-male-studies/

Sums up the feminist mindset perfectly..


Plenty of discussion regarding an article posted on the GMP site( it supposed to be the Good Men Project but it's aimed more at "what women want"or in this case "What Feminists Want"). A site that has been turned upside down when site co-founder, a Mr Matlock, was hurled to the wolves when he dared to question one of feminism's much loved mantras (all men are rapists)..

How DARE he, how dare any man stand up for all men by disagreeing with anything feminist. That topic has already been exposed here on this site and I am basically tired of it to be honest. But it is always refreshing to witness a minutiae of change on what was originally just another male hating feminist propaganda site, disguised as something meaningful and honest. That ofcourse  would be an oxymoron as feminism and honesty should never be mentioned in the same sentence, let alone referred to it directly.

In the past, GMP had such notable vitriolic masturbators of the truth, as Jessica Valenti, Amanda Marcotte and ofcourse the ever loathed and detested Hugo "I am a mangina/ male feminist"Schwyzer and between the lot of them, they ensured the hate and vitriol was heaped in successive articles. It truly was a site to loathe and detest, as the total hypocrisy from that site was as plain as day. It really just demonstrated how hypocritical and dysfunctional the feminist movement and doctrine really is, but the ongoing denial was there none the less..

Neely Steinberg loves you, as long as you don’t love yourself

Paul Elam from AVfM

Neely Steinberg, the relationship/dating columnist for Blast Magazine, has a lot of things she loves about men; Twenty, to be exact. She posted the complete list as part of an article over at the Good Men Project, an online publication that has, by a rather strange twist of events, begun to accommodate some actual defense of men in recent days, and in the process has alienated some people whose bread and butter resides in attacks on the same.
But before we rush to praise this newfound religion, we should take a moment to examine Steinberg’s ideas, especially as honest money says they echo the oft stated sentiments of GMP founder Tom Matlack, and his increasingly vocal shill, Lisa Hickey, regarding men and masculinity. I bring Tom into this because Steinberg’s piece is indicative of where I think Tom has wanted the GMP to go all along.
So what are the qualities in a man that makes Neely’s heart go all aflutter, and lifts it up on the wings of her womanly passion? Here’s her version of the testosterone top 20:


Along comes Neelie Steinberg, a well meaning relationship and dating columnists, to post an article about "20 Things I love About Men", apart from the lovely, cosy topic title, she explains how much she is tingled about the way men cater to herself specifically. Pedestal in place and with servitude policy in hand. Loved men for making "her" world complete without any reciprocation or even bothering with what women's responsibilities are in regards to that relationship. The entire article places her on the pedestal and all men serving obediently at her feet. That was primarily what she loved the most about men. They made her "feel" good and every segment on the list encompassed precisely why her admiration for men relied solely on, the fact that they are there to serve her and make her feel good and do all things for her , it borders on embarrassing and I'll ignore the narcism..

Here are the first ten..



  • I love when a man puts his hand on the small of a woman’s lower back, as if to say, I’m here for you if you need me.
  • I love when a man wipes away a woman’s tears or pushes a strand of her hair away from her face, tucking it lovingly behind her ear.
  • I love how millions of men go off to work every day and then come home after long work hours to share in the housework and child-rearing.
  • I love how men contribute hundreds of millions of dollars every year to charities in the U.S. and across the globe.
  • I love when a man makes us feel like women.
  • I love when a man waits patiently inside an elevator to let all the ladies out first.
  • I love how a man who would go to the ends of the earth for a woman he loves.
  • I love how a man who will rub his partner’s feet at the end of the day even though he’s had a hard day at work too.
  • I love the men who so bravely and willingly risk their lives in service to our country and to protect us all.
  • I love being Little Spoon.


  • In order to put things into perspective, we have an alternate version, we are for equality here even though feminists are not..
    I love it when a woman gets out of the car to help change a tire.
    I love it when a woman reaches for her purse to pay her way.
    I love it when a woman hears “no” and accepts it with grace.
    I love it when a woman takes responsibility for her own feelings, bad or good.
    I love it when a woman embraces my need for things in my life that do not involve her.
    I love it when a woman solves problems in a relationship with reason and fairness.
    I love it when a woman takes responsibility for her mistakes and corrects them.
    I love it when a woman stops trying to get validation for an idea that has no merit.
    I love it when a woman realizes that equality comes with some burdens.
    I love it when a woman recognizes that a “home” is a shared domain.
    I love it when a woman is willing to get dirty and bruised and scraped up to get a job done.
    I love it when a woman doesn’t know how to say, “You’re the man.”
    I love it when a woman refuses to use tears to get her way.
    I love it when a woman never says, “Speaking as a woman.”
    I love it when a woman doesn’t confuse being shrill and cruel with being strong.
    I love it when a woman has no expectation of me at all based on my being a man.
    I love it when a woman has no expectations at all based on her being a woman.
    I love it when a woman finds no one to blame for her problems but herself.
    I love it when a woman recognizes that love is in what you give, not in what you take.
    I love it when a woman understands that all these things are things that I love in men, too.

    Her picture from Facebook
    This is the culprit's first response on AVfM's article exposing the male-hating (misandry) by Jenna Myers Karvunidis.Her brag post made about all men being pedophiles or potential sexual abusers..Bare in mind also that this cretin is a married woman with children and ofcourse just another feminist, a tag which automatically allows and encourages the freedom for anyone to attack this woman for her membership of and to a male hating hegemony plus it also demonstrates that without doubt she will carry with her the load of hysteria and unlimited accumulated false information and derogatory mindset that all feminists have. In other words, she is open to comments, personal assessment on her mindless ranting, if necessary as well as being named, as she has decided to be a feminists, which survives on humiliating and abusing all men and boys. She will get back what she has been dishing out..

    What goes round, comes round, poetic justice at work for all the right reasons..

    jennamk in reply to Paul Elam
    If you If you are really angry about my post, please just remove the copy of it. It has been gone from my site within 24 hours of you becoming upset. That is victory for you, just rejoice.
    Why are you perpetuating the negativity you reportedly hate by keeping my profile up? I took it down the post and will never blog about it again. I’m not a huge blogger, just a stay-at-home-mom with NO agenda, no hate.

    First we have that typical "I thought about it and I didn't realise that I was such as arsehole that someone would actually say something about it because I am a woman and I can do whatever I like..
    jennamk in reply to Paul Elam
    I don’t understand. I removed the offending post, why are you still angry? Why do I have a profile on this site with murders if all I did was write ONE blog post, that I removed within 24 hours of you becoming offended?
    I’m terrified for my life at this point. When this was just banter yesterday, I fought back, but now I’m so scared for my family because all these forums are talking about violence against me. PLEASE remove this. I’m just a housewife with a little blog. I have no agenda to harm you.
    How can you promote peace when I am literally terrified to continue living my home? I’m a nobody. I’m just a mom and I will NEVER EVER blog about this topic or my family or even feminism again. I’m so scared.
    PS- I did write a second post that I thought would make things better, but it was only live for a matter of hours before I decided to just it alone. I am not trying to harm you and it was never my intention.

    Next we have the usual false claims of the possibility of abuse, being frightened about something that will not happen or claiming that it had, the best intentions in the world. She has apparently frightened herself as no one, anywhere has even remotely made any such claim or call. But does it actually relent, Think again. Appealing to chivalry and lying about her motives where all she has to do is apologise with an article and admit that she was wrong by putting the record straight about her made up statistics of 99% of all men are rapists or child molesters, a typical feminist unsubstantiated lie..
     
    Paul Elam in reply to Atlas Reloaded
    I think when she sees her RH profile and all the pieces start coming together in her tiny little head, that you will get to see her paradigm unravel like a psychotic ferret.


    And ofcourse we have that total attitudinal change as the begging and grovelling did not work as planned so it's onto the next stage of threats and legal action..


    jennamk in reply to Izzey Oh, I’ve already contacted my lawyer. Don’t you worry about me, sweetcakes. What you all have done is called slander.

    Obviously isn't aware that there is a difference between slander and libel and has to be corrected due to her ignorance of both..

    aoirthoir
    Slander would be speech. You meant to say libel. I would get a new lawyer if he told you written words are slander, he’s not very good at his job.
    And no one slandered or libelled you. We pointed out where you lied and how you lied. Libel and slander have to be factually wrong.
    I haven't had this much fun since I heard of the demise of Dworkin and let me tell you that made my day. But, as you can see. The ignorant feminist cretin is finally rewarded for her misandry with a lifelong entry on register-her.com and anyone looking up her name will come up with her entry for being a bigot and the reason for that judgement. This is the fruit of labour for feminists whenever and wherever they falsify information, make incorrect statements, male bash at will, try and destroy men's credibility and promote their hatefest without limit or conscience. Keep it up and you will be next, it's that simple. Vilify men at your own risk. This is just the beginning..


    I highly recommend that you have a good look at the over 300 comments on AVfM site on this article..


    Jenna Myers Karvunidis article..

    Paul Elam in reply to Pierce Harlan
    Thank you Pierce, but you are far too kind. None of this requires genius. In fact, it is embarrassingly easy.
    The world is so full of this kind of bigotry, as you well know, that it is easier to find than dirty streets in Newark.
    All we are doing here is standing up and saying, “Fuck this.” I hope the bitch does sue. I hope she hires Alan Fucking Dershowitz. I simply don’t care. I will take anything they do and use it to draw more attention to the hate and lies people like her are spreading.
    None of that is genius. It isn’t even particularly gutsy. It’s just long overdue.