It has been my personal experience that women do take that sign of chivalry for granted. There have been two examples over the past few years that came to mind as I read this article from the The Spearhead..
Example one came up when I was in a accessories store looking for a book stand of some type and came across a narrow pathway in the over stocked store, there was room for only one person to go through at a time. At the same time two women approached, one quite elderly and one who must have been her granddaughter. I strolled through without even stopping and even though it left them room to not impede their progress. It did not stop granny from making the obvious snide remark of "You're obviously not a gentleman", I stopped turned around and commented that if she expected chivalry, it is too late as you have killed that..
The response was worth a thousand words but I did not have a camera with me. So the "take that for granted" attitude is widely dispersed among women as they feel within themselves that they are worth more and they should be automatically given abeyance regardless of the situation. I use to in the past, but now I no longer bother as it is indeed taken for granted. My door opening days for women is over, as they have killed that as well and I only demonstrate manners to those I know, like family and friends, the rest can open their own damn door. As for carrying weights, same thing. I have seen a few struggle and obviously totally pissed as there look, their desperate, hopeful stare, attested, I smile..
The next example came when I passed a car parked on the side of a busy access road at peak hour and noticed a women standing in front of the car, just staring at it, wondering I suppose, what to do next. As I passed I saw her edge to the side of the road and wave for help to passing motorists..
The following day there was a letter to the editor "Letter of the day" which stated that it was her who was stranded on the side of the road and she bitterly complained that no one stopped and had to call the road service club to help. She failed to state ofcourse that there would have been women who passed her as well but blamed the men for their thoughtless behaviour. I was quite surprised when the next day there was a response which stated "You wanted equality, you got it", kinda made my day..
The gift transformed into a debt.
from The Spearhead by Dalrock
Blessed is he who expects no gratitude, for he shall not be disappointed.
– W.C. Bennett
Back in 1852 the troop ship HMS Birkenhead sank in shark infested waters off the coast of South Africa. There weren’t enough lifeboats to save everyone, and the captain made the extraordinary decision to reserve them for the women and children aboard. The crew followed the captain’s order even though it meant his and many of their own deaths. This incredible example of men sacrificing for others has made what otherwise would have been an obscure shipwreck a famous event in history.
Even a century and a half later, women still understand the meaning of the profound sacrifice made by those brave men:
Men owe us.
A similar event occurred in 1912 when RMS Titanic struck an iceberg. Well over a thousand men stood aside and died so that mostly women (and a lesser percentage of children) could survive. Women understood the meaning of that sacrifice as well:
You got off easy. The women who survived are the ones who had to suffer. We didn’t ask you to do this for us anyway.
And of course: Men owe us.
One of the videos I saw after the sinking of the Costa Concordia had an overweight American woman with a short haircut complaining:
It certainly wasn’t women and children first!
She said this in the form of an indictment, with the obvious expectation that all listening would see it as proof of an outrageous dereliction by the men on the ship. She and countless other women believe that since some men have volunteered to die in shipwrecks in the past, all men will forever have an obligation to do so. What men in the past did was an incredible act of graciousness; it has been met with an equally incredible lack of grace in return.
I’ve searched the web looking for a copy of the video to share, but unfortunately I couldn’t find it. What I found instead was even more powerful however. Sheila Gregoire wrote a post/syndicated column shortly after the Costa Concordia went down titled: Women and Children First? A Feminist Tragedy (emphasis mine):
In the comments I’ve been reading on the news reports, people seem to agree that children should be given priority, but there’s a heated debate about the women. We’re equal, so why should a man lose a place to a woman? Why should a man have to help a woman when he’s in danger, too?
And, as disgusting as I find that question, it makes sense. In 1912 it was a different world. Personal responsibility was still the main ethos of the day. People took care of their neighbours; they did not wait for government to do it for them. And people had a code of honour that included helping others when you could.
Somehow we have lost that. It is no longer about honour and what we should do for others; it has become what others should do for us.
I assume the irony is lost on her that her response to men having shown incredible selflessness is to be upset that men might at times elect to take care of themselves instead of focusing on people like her. As I have written before, making chivalry mandatory or expected destroys the very concept. It isn’t just feminists who destroyed chivalry, but feminist-lite women who view themselves as traditional.
Even so it wasn’t Sheila’s blog post which really startled me, it was the comments from many of the women who read her blog. Several of the women understood the issue and why men made different choices on that wreck than on certain shipwrecks in the past. But others took an attitude of incredible entitlement, assuming that men in general exist to serve them. Commenter Rachel started by explaining that men owe this to women because women’s lives are worth more than men’s:
Women and children do not go first because they are weaker; they go first because lets face it, you need more women than men to keep the population going (men can make millions of babies in a day, women can only make 1-2 per year at best and our fertility is limited)and children are our future to continue the human race.
She then describes how she rudely bumped into a man recently in an elevator because she assumed he would understand that she has a special right to exit elevators first, even though of course she is his equal:
That being said, I was just thinking of this topic last night. I was sharing an elevator with a man about my age. When the elevator stopped, I automatically started to get off and he almost ran into me! I am so used to men letting me get off the elevator first, it hadn’t occurred to me that he wouldn’t. Once I righted myself, I got thinking about it and why would he let me off first? I am his equal. I started to think if there was a scientific reason, and I could not come up with one. In fact, I thought maybe the man should go first to let him see if it’s safe (I’ve watched too much late night drama and seen too many people get attacked getting off elevators).
Even though the uppity man in the elevator didn’t know his place, she graciously suggests that there are times when it is acceptable for a man to enter a lifeboat:
The thought process led to thinking about the “women and children first” policy and I do still think that applies, unless the child who is getting on the life boat is only accompanied by his/her father. I think then the dad should be able to get on the life boat with his child(ren).
I want to back up and remind you that before 1852 there was no such expectation that men should stand by and drown in order to save women who in most cases are strangers. The sense of entitlement so many women now have because of acts of incredible selflessness by men in the past is astonishing.
Another commenter named Britiney who writes a blog called Consider the Lillies read Sheila’s post and it reminded her of a time recently when men she didn’t know failed to snap-to and be her personal unpaid valet. It happened when she exercised poor planning while taking her computer in for repair:
Along the same lines and under the heading of “Chivalry is dead” I had to take my computer to the repair shop last week. I took it to the Apple store in our local mall and, not knowing that there was a “secret” entrance close to the store, I lugged it all the way through the parking lot, and then all the way through the mall and then BACK because I decided to take it somewhere else. I don’t know how much it weighs, but by the time I got all the way back to my car I was nearly in tears because it was SO heavy and I was SO frustrated. And here’s my point: I cannot even tell you how many able-bodied young men I passed while I was carrying something that was OBVIOUSLY too heavy for me. When I finally got to my car I called my husband and told him that my boys will NEVER pass someone who needs help and not offer to help them. I was so disgusted that not one single man offered to help me! So so so sad. I can’t influence any of the men who passed me by, but I can certainly influence the 3 young men God has entrusted to my care and if I have ANYTHING to do with it, they WILL put women and children first!!!
It reminded me of a comment Hestia made on a previous post on this topic about a woman who saw a group of servicemen returning from active duty, and was upset that they didn’t volunteer to carry her load for her:
Basically here is a group of largely men who have been sacrificing on behalf of the nation (or so the story goes) who haven’t done enough for this pampered princess. So it seems to go not only with soldiers in particular but men in general when it comes to chivalry.
One thing men need to understand is that in the event that they make the kind of sacrifice women are demanding, not only will it lead to even more entitlement, but many women will still detract from the noble nature of your choice. Commenter Amanda wrote:
Not to undermine your point, but when the Titanic sank, women and children were NOT put first. Sure, they started the evacuations like that, and there were men of honor, but there were also the men who locked the doors to the third class section so that those people wouldn’t take up lifeboat space, and the coward who pushed women and children aside in their haste to get into a boat.
After Sheila challenged her on the historical accuracy of this claim, Amanda replied with:
Well, it’s been a few years since I did all the reading I did on the Titanic, but I was pretty interested as a youngling, and the picture I got from the books was one of polite, subversive cowardice slowly escalating to outright anarchy and panic.
Understand that if you sacrifice yourself for women you don’t know that most women will simply take your act of ultimate selflessness as proof that men owe them. A significant number will also deny the bravery of your dying act.
Note: This post first appeared on my blog.
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Link to the Spearhead..
Now for something totally different. Give the loons the flick for a while and have a look at life and associated matters..
I occasionally flick through my own list of blogs that I follow and one of the interesting ones is Dalrock. he visits areas of interest concerning the heart rather then sexual politics and deconstructionist mayhem..
The subject of one of his posts was "Gaming the misses" which was rather interesting as I know some of you guys out there are hitched or have a partner, so looking at this may be beneficial as no one wants anyone to be screwed in the divorce courts if it's just a matter of making her "feel" loved and appreciated..
You and I have both seen guys who bend over backwards to keep the little woman happy as it is what we have been told, coerced and trained to do. Amazingly enough, those precise actions may even create the exact situation that one is trying to avoid. Dalrock had that same problem and here is how he worked that out..
She felt unloved.
AN excerpt..
The "bugger" moment came and I am annoyed because in some way you have had indications or read something in the past but it was still a "gotcha" moment. It's no company secret that women want relationships and anyone who states otherwise is either ignorant or living the great lie. It is their aim and goal to be accepted and to share life oor part their of, with a partner, but here is the kicker that I missed.
What is unspoken is that these women are holding out for a bigger better deal. The longer they delay marriage, in their mind the more courtship they can accrue and the better man they can expect to marry. Just because the idea is absurd, it doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking this way. The only thing which keeps women from extending their search forever is the fear of losing the option to choose.Who has the relationship issues now I wonder. We constantly hear the "men don't want to commit," until it sounds just like a buzz saw at high speed. But what appear to be the case is that it's her who is holding out for something better (in her fantasy mind). She has an imaginary prince tucked up in that grey/white matter she assumes will eventually turn up and all she has to do is hold off until that day arrives.
The only thing which holds this terror at bay is the expectation that the woman can get off the carousel at any time she wants. So long as she believes that all she has to do to get married is click her heels together three times and say there’s no place like home and poof she is married, she can keep the terror at bay and feels safe remaining on the carousel. Take this comfort away, and you are left with sheer panic.It is that sheer panic that hits them when they reach thirty. It is at that time they realise that they are now fifteen years older than their teens and they have lived life a little or maybe way too much (feminists keep the delusional). Knocked back a couple or maybe just one guy who really rocked her socks off but now it is a different argument altogether as she has even more competition that she had at school with other desperate women competing for 20% of the available guys. Only problem being is that the alpha that she is hot for isn't gonna be buying her no garden with a picket fence or help rocking the cradle..
Realisation is a bitch. So what do they do now. The appropriate thing lately appears to be, either live in denial just like you are trained to do at the feminist's "lying and brain dead" centre or compromise and grab someone, anyone who will tolerate you and hopefully display some type of affection but you can have a good bitch about that later..
Thus begins the cultural exegesis of the Bolick article. Young women want “relationships,” but they want low-grade, low-commitment ones which are of uncertain futures. I think what they really want is the status of saying “I have a boyfriend,” which is a lower-grade version of the “I’ve been chosen!” thrill women get from getting married.That comment from one of the readers is certainly very interesting and accurate. A lot more accurate than the crap feminists have been feeding her and her mother before her. That same lie has been floating around for so long that no one takes it seriously as women behave directly opposite leaving the feminastie movement so confused as they told them they "need a man like they need a
Dalrock get the last words in and like a wizened sage, he lays the pearls at your feet. Ignore them at your peril..
Thats why women invented marriage 2.0. Even women who can’t attract the man they really want can still walk down the aisle and prove that a man was invested in them enough to publicly proclaim commitment for life. Then after a suitable waiting period, they can hit the eject button and walk away with cash and prizes (and perhaps children).
Of course even then they are back on the hunt for the man they really want to marry. The wonderful prince charming who for some inexplicable reason has yet to appear, but is aching to profess his undying love for her. Divorce porn doesn’t end with women living a carefree single life for a reason.Just brilliant..
Link to post at Dalrock..
Dalrock has posted an interesting article on his site where feminists are now wishing back the good old days of chivalry and housewifely duties. I know, what hypocrites are they. They jumped and heehawed when some white knighted mangina forced the boys in his class to treat women as special - pull out their chair and stand when one of those privileged princesses entered the room. Feminists were happy and whenever that happens your automatic bullshit meter starts to register that something is amiss right there..
Feminists have been maligning men and boys for their chivalrous actions for decades. As a matter of fact they made it quite an issue and become downright obnoxious and offensive about precisely that. They marginalised it to such a degree that men stopped doing it. They completely stopped that extra demonstration of good manners and decided that the bitch can open her own friggin door, fix her own chair, pay for her own food and stand in line like everyone else. It took a while but it did not go unnoticed ofcourse as there are still quite a few senior women around who appreciated and preferred to be treated kindly and shown some respect rather than the new breed of obnoxious bitches they now churn out from the so called education centres. So we are back to square one.
Feminist nostalgia for traditional gender roles.
As a women studies major who is familiar with feminist criticism, I have a good feeling that many would view these practices as sexist. Such behavior from men may imply that women are weaker and more helpless. That if women begin to accept this behavior as normal, they will believe in and become comfortable with their dependence on men.
But I would like to offer another level of insight. When men and women are seen as the same, men somehow always seem to get the upper-hand…More than ever now we are realizing that men and women are not quite the same, after all. And Ivanyi’s lessons from the past are finally being called in to shed light on a problem we have been unable to solve.