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Another version of what we already know to be the case. The reason I like this video is that it demonstrates how feminists unknowingly encouraged the existance of the Men's Movement and also the MRA. A claim they have denied on copious occasions. How is it possible for anyone to have negative feelings against the opposite sex, was not the question asked. The statement presented was one of "You're a misogynist" for not accepting the abuses. Those claims have been promoted and enhanced by the hate movement to try and misrepresent the actions and responses that has surfaced over the last decade or two.
No feminists has ever accepted the fact that they have actually generated the new male attitude and response to their own vitriol and decidedly toxic attitudes. They avoid admitting any responsibility and yet, when it's all said and done, they are responsible for the position they now find themselves in..
The endless complaining by female journalists as well as the occasional "white knight", pointing the finger at those recalcitrants, who have decided to opt out of the "marriage" market and simply go their own way, have been scorned and maligned just like they use to do in the old days. But this time it is more desperate, their provocative lecturing now just slide of the back like water and the overall response is one of disinterest, coupled with "I no longer give a damn". As desperation sets in with one sex and a laissez faire attitude in the other, the lecturing has turned to begging and coercion, unfortunately the circumstances have not changed and neither has the envronment to make the original proposal any more attractive..
The reasons for avoidance of marriage are still in place and they expect any man to hop aboard the bandwagon and willingly offer themselves up as some type of sacrificial offering at the hands of the state and the laws that has created this entire situation..
No compromise, No change..
It is not that hard to understand or comprehend. Why would any man consciously put his head on the chopping block for someone who has the legislated power to destroy his life. I mean really..
As I previously stated, this blog will undergo some changes. One of the changes that I am glad to announce will my new Guest Author - Joanna T. who is currently stationed in Switzerland, originally from England..
I look forward to Joanna's input and hope it will be a long and fruitful arrangement..
Joanna's task will be to present the other side of the argument, so to speak, in her own words and in her own redolent style. We have both arrived at a point where the ongoing, irrational negativity that has been promoted by feminists and thereby feminism, has indeed marred and denigrated the relationship between males and females. It really needs to be toned down and harnessed rather than fomented and encouraged. We need to take the next step. It is up to us to garner the troops in our efforts of ensuring that feminism and feminists are rejected and exposed for the clearly demonstrated pariahs they really are. This effort is part of that program..
Feminists hate the idea of any members of the Mens Movement joining together with members of opposite sex and demonstrating that reason and affability reigns in the MM also show that we are not the women haters they claim us to be. It's rubbing salt into already festering wounds..
Regardless how you personally view it, it cannot continue or it should not escalate as we are both on this planet to make our lives the best we possibly can. The other issue is that feminism and it's hate doctrine is primarily designed to drive a wedge between the sexes and I really do not want to be seen or be doing anything to promote any long term plan that feminism has in that direction. This is primarily going directly against feminisms aims and plans, this is the next step..
Joanna's latest article has struck a cord with me as I have been promoting the MGTOW lifestyle ever since I and a few other lads started the MGTOW movement. The founders of MGTOW, Ragnar, Johan, Myself and Zen, to name a few, got together to work on this when there was no other alternative lifestyle or options for men to pursue. It was either, get married and have kids or be scorned for being a free loader. Society at that time had that mindset and if there is one single issue that feminists can claim they did for men, it was to generate our determination to demand that men should have different options to determine their own lives rather than going down the same path, generations before had done in automatic and robotic fashion. Women were being forced to change so it only made sense that men should be given different options as well..
Hence MGTOW was born and hence we have this article.
The effects of MGTOW on the opposite sex has never been revealed or explained as I for one was very interested to see if it had any effect at all apart from introducing the marriage strike. Not that that was the idea of it all to begin with but it was a minor consideration on my part..
SO I welcome Joanna T on board and I can guarantee that she is one of us. I will ask Joanna to tell her own story some time in the future, her own impression and thoughts on feminists and feminism..
MGTOW - good or bad for women?
Joanna T.
There are three phrases that strike fear into the hearts of modern marriage-minded women.
'Marriage on the decline', 'MGTOW' (Men going their own way), 'Marriage strike'.
A woman's greatest fear is abandonment. Or worse, never to have been approached in the first place.
Feminism encourages women to hide this fear.
Some do it well.
But here-in lies the problem: a fear will always remain as a fear unless it is resolved.
A quirk of Nature results in the following observations:
A man does not need a woman. He is capable of being a solitary entity his whole life, and he won't care.
His work/passion/hobby is his primary focus.
A woman needs people around her. The most efficient way to increase the entourage who share her DNA is to team up with a man. So technically, a woman needs a man.
A man's greatest physical need is sexual fulfilment (according to Dr Kevin Lehman). A man's greatest social need is his freedom.
These two needs are in direct conflict with each other. Marriage (read: a woman) satisfies one at the expense of the other.
But in the old days, men often chose marriage and hoped for the best with the other need. Sometimes it worked out well.
Other times it did not.
Then feminism separated 'woman' from 'marriage'.
All of a sudden, a man could eat his cake and have it too. A win-win situation!
Being a logical being, he did.
A woman's natural reaction to MGTOW would be something like this:
"Oh no, don't go! Stay!"
Because MGTOW reduces the number of men in her 'parade'.
Because she is a good communicator and needs people around her to communicate with.
But it is a counterproductive reaction.
Because MGTOW is a natural part of manhood. It is a form of 'Initiation'.
In some cultures in the world, initiation practices are still encouraged. Men have their obligatory journey into the forest and women have their preparation rites for womanhood.
There are still remnants of the original deal in modern culture, but usually in a religious context, such as 'Bar Mitzvah' and 'Bat Mitzvah' and 'Confirmation'.
But in the real deal, a boy on the cusp of manhood would be forcibly taken literally from his bed at night and dumped into dangerous terrain, usually by older men from the same village.
His mother and sisters would cry out, "Oh no, don't take him away" but to no avail.
Because the village elders knew that a man who had not been initiated was not a man.
He posed a risk to the whole village if he did not possess the skills of manhood. He might as well be one of the women, but without her function, either. So this man was useful to all concerned.
The women would protest, of course. But they knew thay had to let the boy go. Because, assuming he survived the rigors of initiation, he would come back a fully-fledged man, a useful member of society.
If he never came back, they would miss him. But he had not made the cut. It was a stigma for that family. They were better off in the long run without him.
There are many false imitations of initiation in today's society. Inner city gangs are a prime example.
Under feminism, many men lost their male 'elders'. Because he was taken away from them by a dominant matriarch. There was no-one to raid their homes in the middle of the night and yank them from their beds into the terrifying unknown, so necessary for the development of their sense of masculine self.
MGTOW might be one of the natural retorts to this male crisis: the lack of initiation.
The motivation for MGTOW in this present clime is certainly not for the purposes of benefiting women.
But in a roundabout way, it could be the best thing a man can do.
It could be the best demonstration of 'inner Game'.
Let the initiation begin.
The heroes will return to the village, with a lot to offer the village.
The women and children and of course the elders will be there to welcome them back to the fold.
The others will not come back.
Women only want heroes on their parade.
'Marriage on the decline', 'MGTOW' (Men going their own way), 'Marriage strike'.
A woman's greatest fear is abandonment. Or worse, never to have been approached in the first place.
Feminism encourages women to hide this fear.
Some do it well.
But here-in lies the problem: a fear will always remain as a fear unless it is resolved.
A quirk of Nature results in the following observations:
A man does not need a woman. He is capable of being a solitary entity his whole life, and he won't care.
His work/passion/hobby is his primary focus.
A woman needs people around her. The most efficient way to increase the entourage who share her DNA is to team up with a man. So technically, a woman needs a man.
A man's greatest physical need is sexual fulfilment (according to Dr Kevin Lehman). A man's greatest social need is his freedom.
These two needs are in direct conflict with each other. Marriage (read: a woman) satisfies one at the expense of the other.
But in the old days, men often chose marriage and hoped for the best with the other need. Sometimes it worked out well.
Other times it did not.
Then feminism separated 'woman' from 'marriage'.
All of a sudden, a man could eat his cake and have it too. A win-win situation!
Being a logical being, he did.
A woman's natural reaction to MGTOW would be something like this:
"Oh no, don't go! Stay!"
Because MGTOW reduces the number of men in her 'parade'.
Because she is a good communicator and needs people around her to communicate with.
But it is a counterproductive reaction.
Because MGTOW is a natural part of manhood. It is a form of 'Initiation'.
In some cultures in the world, initiation practices are still encouraged. Men have their obligatory journey into the forest and women have their preparation rites for womanhood.
There are still remnants of the original deal in modern culture, but usually in a religious context, such as 'Bar Mitzvah' and 'Bat Mitzvah' and 'Confirmation'.
But in the real deal, a boy on the cusp of manhood would be forcibly taken literally from his bed at night and dumped into dangerous terrain, usually by older men from the same village.
His mother and sisters would cry out, "Oh no, don't take him away" but to no avail.
Because the village elders knew that a man who had not been initiated was not a man.
He posed a risk to the whole village if he did not possess the skills of manhood. He might as well be one of the women, but without her function, either. So this man was useful to all concerned.
The women would protest, of course. But they knew thay had to let the boy go. Because, assuming he survived the rigors of initiation, he would come back a fully-fledged man, a useful member of society.
If he never came back, they would miss him. But he had not made the cut. It was a stigma for that family. They were better off in the long run without him.
There are many false imitations of initiation in today's society. Inner city gangs are a prime example.
Under feminism, many men lost their male 'elders'. Because he was taken away from them by a dominant matriarch. There was no-one to raid their homes in the middle of the night and yank them from their beds into the terrifying unknown, so necessary for the development of their sense of masculine self.
MGTOW might be one of the natural retorts to this male crisis: the lack of initiation.
The motivation for MGTOW in this present clime is certainly not for the purposes of benefiting women.
But in a roundabout way, it could be the best thing a man can do.
It could be the best demonstration of 'inner Game'.
Let the initiation begin.
The heroes will return to the village, with a lot to offer the village.
The women and children and of course the elders will be there to welcome them back to the fold.
The others will not come back.
Women only want heroes on their parade.
It just gets better every day. Another attempt by another "woman" to try and justify their own obnoxious and unbearable behaviour by producing a long,extended and exhausting explanation on how it is so great to be single.."All the Single Ladies"..
| And they wonder why they're single? |
It even tries to identify itself as being apart from the feminasty movement by using the "us and them" meme just like we usually hear the oft used "I am not a feminist but..." dishonest disclaimer which is about as convincing as the denial of a child when caught with it's hand in the cookie jar, it's that obvious..
But according to Walsh at HUS (hooking up smart), could not stop blathering on about this misanthrope like it was some newly raised ephemeral goddess reincarnated. Whose appearance could only introduce a new era of hope and all things reaching perfection once the oracle speaks...
This unfettered future was the promise of my time and place. I spent many a golden afternoon at my small New England liberal-arts college debating with friends the merits of leg-shaving and whether or not we’d take our husband’s surname. (Even then, our concerns struck me as retro; hadn’t the women’s libbers tackled all this stuff already?) We took for granted that we’d spend our 20s finding ourselves, whatever that meant, and save marriage for after we’d finished graduate school and launched our careers, which of course would happen at the magical age of 30.Definitely standing in awe of the oracle's wise words. She does give away her feminist credentials while living in denial as confessing to being a member of that movement is akin to declaring early stages of leprosy and the response is obviously similar. The final convincing evidence just in case you doubt..
And the elevation of independence over coupling (“I wasn’t ready to settle down”) is a second-wave feminist idea I’d acquired from my mother, who had embraced it, in part, I suspect, to correct for her own choices.If it acts, talks and quacks like one, then.....
So what we really have here is just another self declaring, self assuming, non-feminist wearing empress clothes. Another delusional princess determined to set the record straight according to the newly adopted "The Tome of Woman and her many Foible". That should be a hit and rightly so because it backs up very nicely what they have been trained to do and how to behave. It also assesses their current situation and their delusional response to it.. .
Anyway, I did actually waste some time reading a couple of pages and almost regretted not covering my laptop with a plastic shrinkwrap as it was as asinine as it was confusing. It read like listening to one of their own bloviate, suffering a distressful case of verbal diarrhoea and failing to pause to take the occasional breath.
To my way of thinking it is a very good reason why men opt out of society and go their own way as why would you want to pay taxes to support generations of freeloading women for which you receive no benefit or anything in return. So fixated are they in their own progress, payed for by men, at the expense of men and then turn around and be proud of that achievement and see that as a victory. I cannot understand it as I am sure many others can't either..
Link.to Atlantic..
Link to article on HUS..
Feminism's response to the "patriarchy" is to produce women who try to behave like men plus trained via their "women's studies" hate sessions to laothe and discredit all men and boys alike and then wonder why we just don't want anything to do with them and also demonstrate plainly that we clearly do not like them at all..
Gone is the feminine, caring female of yesteryear replaced by some imitator that is self-absorbed by greed, self interest and an over inflated ego that no room can hold. A senseless drone incapable of responsibility, honour or even dignity. A ghost impression of the woman past when they were human and not the machine they churn out these days. But it's their own choice and their own doing and they now need to face up to the fact that no one really wants to know them anymore..
So how desperate are they to get the lads back on the treadmill ?
Penny Young Nance.
Yes, men should man up, take on the responsibilities of an adult, get a job, have a family and be a contributing member to society. The benefits to being a married man are huge. According to Men’s Health magazine, have more sex, get promoted faster, and are generally healthier than unmarried men.You can almost hear it screaming at the screen as desperation finally takes hold and fear spread like an early autumn fog. The realisation that the pedestal now lies flat on the floor as she desperately tries to rebuild it with chewing gum and superglue. I am really enjoying this, I haven't had this much fun ever since I saw that feminist jailed for life on a genocide charge which ofcourse demonstrated how caring and sharing that sex really is..
Oh yes, and never ever criticise a woman regardless of the fact that she is the major culprit here but as usual they will first try every trick in the book to blame men and if that does not work they will find some other avenue. Pathetic or what ?
Working in an office full of women, many of whom are young, single gals, I hear all the time, “Where are all the good men out there?” Even in this post-feminist age of asserting independence from men and having both a career and a family, women still want their prince and these days, he can be really tough to find.Where have all the good men gone? Obviously, no where near you lot..
As I have on several occasions mentioned previously, the options men have are restricted if one doesn't shut down the brow beaters and female apologists. Those people are of the opinion that women are blameless and quite a catch for any delusional blue pill inhaler who has been trained by his single mom or his white knight dad to wallow in it's shadow. Abeyance to any female can and will definitely bring you pain and suffering without fail. It's guaranteed in the stats as women do toss out the love of their life with the same ease as changing underwear, replaced after maximum of five years, implant another sucker overnight on the promise that pussy will be forthcoming. Many a sucker has been lured by that little head appeal and they still line up like lemmings to a cliff's edge, waiting their turn.
If you were told that your parachute had a fifty percent chance of opening when you went skydiving, would you take that chance, I don't think so and you would be an idiot if you played against those odds. That is exactly the odds in the marriage game as women divorce 70% of the suckers they coerced into tying the knot so you have a 2 to 1 chance of celebrating a fifth anniversary or maybe longer only if she allowed you to be still be around. You must be doing something right or you are not worth reaming yet as there is more money on the whorizon..
May just as well tick off that calender now and face up to the inevitable. At least you cannot claim that you were not told..
Where have all the men gone?
It’s a question posed today by both social conservatives and liberals alike. And yet all the “great minds” of academia and political punditry combined, heard spewing forth from their ivory Towers of Babel, seem to be utterly vexed by the answer. From William Bennett, George Will and Kathleen Parker, to Michael Kimmel, Kay Hymowitz and Hannah Rosin they all agree the modern male is broken and somehow needs to be fixed, but how exactly they can’t say.
In her natural biological state an adolescent girl is given a rite of passage into womanhood, signaling she’s now an adult woman, whether she wants to be one right away or not. If she later becomes pregnant and gives birth she becomes a mother. For the male of the species the transition to adulthood is not so readily apparent.
He can join the military and transition to a sort of manhood, which also offers the distinct possibility of transitioning him to a flag draped coffin or a cripple for life, thus making the rather expedient transition from “man” to “hero”. Or he can begin to work, find himself a willing and fertile female to pair bond with and begin the creation of a good old fashion nuclear family, only to have her go all “Eat, Pray, Love” on his sorry ass 5 years later, (because she’s bored) finding himself indentured to the local family court system for 10 years hence, and the part-time joy of part-time involvement with his kids lives. Who said men don’t have choices?!
“Oh she’s doing great!”, he says. She just finished her master’s degree in something called “Enviro-catastrophe Studies” and got a cushy little government job with a state agency.”
“What about your chance of being a grandfather anytime soon?” I ask.
“Well she likes guys and she’s had a few boyfriends, but she makes her position on anything long term very clear, she will NOT be controlled by a man.”
“You mean like her mother, your ex-wife, claimed you used to do?”
Now you know why we only talk annually.
A couple of years ago I was asked to help a young man of about 24 years of age out with some “failure to launch” issues. He was just getting off probation for dealing weed, as a little side business to supplement his career in pizza delivery. (At least he understood the dynamics of synergistic market demand) He was the quintessential “lost man in the promised land,” sleeping late, getting high and playing Xbox. Eventually our relationship came down to an ultimatum, “Either get a job by the end of the month or live in your car.” The very last day of the month he got a job as a dishwasher paying $10 an hour. He was ecstatic that he somehow passed the drug test and background check.
Along our path of living together in my humble little dojo, I asked him one day what he thought about women, having a girlfriend, getting married and having children…and he says to me in a way only the modern high school graduate might, “No way, women are bitches man! I mean some of them are OK but most of them really suck! I’m never gonna get married!”
And here my dear reader in lies the essence of the problem, albeit in anecdotal form; the modern sassy girl on the go; little Ms. Independent, “refuses to be controlled by a man,” (although he BETTER allow himself to be controlled by her) and the “lowly slacker” is left with little inspiration to make himself part of such an arrangement, other than perhaps the hope it would somehow work out better for him than every other adult male he’s ever known, including his own father. What’s the point of all this ambition nonsense when he has nothing to prove to anyone but himself?
But who exactly does he marry if all these fantastic women are busy being men; toiling in the hard scrabble world of cubicles, meetings and text messaging? They might “settle down” in their mid-thirties and pop out a designer baby conceived from sperm purchased at the “genius bank”, or they might not. She has choices. She’d prefer a man, but as Maureen Dowd quipped in her condescending pop art lit tone of commentary, “Are men really necessary”?
“For whatever reason, adolescence seems to be the young man’s default state.”, concluded Kay Hymowitz. “For whatever reason…,” In other words what she means to say is that if a man consciously decides to not marry and have children, (ostensibly his “duty” as a ”man” to society and to women) he’s chosen a state of perpetual adolescence. “Shame on you guys!” But did it ever occur to the highbrow illuminati that perhaps he doesn’t have a choice, that there simply aren’t any viable FEMALE candidates for marriage; at least ones that don’t defiantly declare they “won’t be controlled by a man”. Can you imagine a single young man claiming he refuses to marry because he “won’t be controlled by a woman”? Cue the accusations of sexism from the sexist police!
So by today’s standards, if “manning up” means committing to a lovely young wife who gladly presupposes motherhood and commitment to said young husband and father of their children, then “woman-ing-up” is defined as getting a degree, dedicating her efforts to her career and delaying child birth until she finally quits hitting the snooze button on her biological clock; and that’s if she has children at all. In other words, women have made the transition to manhood rather nicely, while men are transitioning to womanhood while kicking and screaming (with a bunch of “whining” as they say). Women want to be like men, but men don’t want to be like women. Womanhood has never been so unpopular. Imagine that!
If the combined Ivy League sheepskin of social scientists and cultural prognosticators have to have someone who barely graduated from high school, (yours truly), answer the simple question, “Where have all the men gone?” one must wonder about either the usefulness of a degree or the blind devotion to either chivalry or the power of feminist orthodoxy within the collective conscious of our “best intellectuals thinkers.” They stink, therefore they’re feminists.
“Where are they?” you ask. They’ve disengaged and disconnected faster than you can say “herbivore” because after all the ridicule, shaming, condemnation, discrimination and legal abuse society has inflicted on them as a group. They’ve simply decided to retreat and stop contributing. Call that “adolescent” if you’d like, (they really don’t care anymore, as they’ve been called worse). I call it a very natural reaction that’s long overdue. Because if the threat of “control” is the problem, he’ll gladly let go of the reigns and the horse that came with them without a shamed or regretful bone in his body.
When I was in 8th grade there was a tough girl that hung out with the tough guys who had it out for me. She would provoke me with insults, kicking and one time a hard whack across my face. She wanted to fight me, “call me out.” Had I agreed I would have been ridiculed for beating up a girl, (and beaten up by her enforcement crew as well). Had I said “no” I would have been ridiculed for being a coward (or ironically a “pussy”) to not agree to fight a girl.
Eventually I had to “man-up” and make a decision one way or the other or the taunting would continue, so I decided NOT agreeing to fight was the best choice of two evils. I disengaged from the proposed battle because either way I was gonna lose; it was just a matter of deciding by how much. By that time I was numb to the pain shaming brings with it anyway, the emotional nerve endings scarred over as it were, so I didn’t care what they had to say, I just ignored them and eventually they began to ignore me. I declared the game over and conceded, much to their disappointment.
Such is the plight of the modern young man. If he fights/competes against woman (and her enforcers) he loses and if he turns his back to her (and her enforcers) he loses. The difference now is that he’s shamed and ridiculed to the point of being impervious to it. He’s declared the game over (Hannah Rosin would agree), and he’s conceded because while he might meet the definition of being a “man,” HE knows WHO he is, and that’s someone who won’t be taken for a TOOL…
…much to their disappointment.
In her natural biological state an adolescent girl is given a rite of passage into womanhood, signaling she’s now an adult woman, whether she wants to be one right away or not. If she later becomes pregnant and gives birth she becomes a mother. For the male of the species the transition to adulthood is not so readily apparent.
He can join the military and transition to a sort of manhood, which also offers the distinct possibility of transitioning him to a flag draped coffin or a cripple for life, thus making the rather expedient transition from “man” to “hero”. Or he can begin to work, find himself a willing and fertile female to pair bond with and begin the creation of a good old fashion nuclear family, only to have her go all “Eat, Pray, Love” on his sorry ass 5 years later, (because she’s bored) finding himself indentured to the local family court system for 10 years hence, and the part-time joy of part-time involvement with his kids lives. Who said men don’t have choices?!
A Tale of Two Worlds
In speaking with my brother the other day at our annual catch-up phone call I asked him how his daughter was fairing out in the big cruel world. (I refer to her as “his daughter” and not “my niece” because despite my efforts to reach out to her, she can’t be bothered to reciprocate.)“Oh she’s doing great!”, he says. She just finished her master’s degree in something called “Enviro-catastrophe Studies” and got a cushy little government job with a state agency.”
“What about your chance of being a grandfather anytime soon?” I ask.
“Well she likes guys and she’s had a few boyfriends, but she makes her position on anything long term very clear, she will NOT be controlled by a man.”
“You mean like her mother, your ex-wife, claimed you used to do?”
Now you know why we only talk annually.
A couple of years ago I was asked to help a young man of about 24 years of age out with some “failure to launch” issues. He was just getting off probation for dealing weed, as a little side business to supplement his career in pizza delivery. (At least he understood the dynamics of synergistic market demand) He was the quintessential “lost man in the promised land,” sleeping late, getting high and playing Xbox. Eventually our relationship came down to an ultimatum, “Either get a job by the end of the month or live in your car.” The very last day of the month he got a job as a dishwasher paying $10 an hour. He was ecstatic that he somehow passed the drug test and background check.
Along our path of living together in my humble little dojo, I asked him one day what he thought about women, having a girlfriend, getting married and having children…and he says to me in a way only the modern high school graduate might, “No way, women are bitches man! I mean some of them are OK but most of them really suck! I’m never gonna get married!”
And here my dear reader in lies the essence of the problem, albeit in anecdotal form; the modern sassy girl on the go; little Ms. Independent, “refuses to be controlled by a man,” (although he BETTER allow himself to be controlled by her) and the “lowly slacker” is left with little inspiration to make himself part of such an arrangement, other than perhaps the hope it would somehow work out better for him than every other adult male he’s ever known, including his own father. What’s the point of all this ambition nonsense when he has nothing to prove to anyone but himself?
To Answer the Question
Wouldn’t it be grand if young men, shamed into compliance, would spontaneously “man-up” and start families with young women? “Finally they took heed of all our combined scolding!” – the elites would exclaim. If only men would dump their video games and weed, GROW UP and start marrying young women all would be groovy again. Men are the problem that needs to be fixed; women are simply marvelous examples of human existence, as always. Everyone knows this. It’s on TV.But who exactly does he marry if all these fantastic women are busy being men; toiling in the hard scrabble world of cubicles, meetings and text messaging? They might “settle down” in their mid-thirties and pop out a designer baby conceived from sperm purchased at the “genius bank”, or they might not. She has choices. She’d prefer a man, but as Maureen Dowd quipped in her condescending pop art lit tone of commentary, “Are men really necessary”?
“For whatever reason, adolescence seems to be the young man’s default state.”, concluded Kay Hymowitz. “For whatever reason…,” In other words what she means to say is that if a man consciously decides to not marry and have children, (ostensibly his “duty” as a ”man” to society and to women) he’s chosen a state of perpetual adolescence. “Shame on you guys!” But did it ever occur to the highbrow illuminati that perhaps he doesn’t have a choice, that there simply aren’t any viable FEMALE candidates for marriage; at least ones that don’t defiantly declare they “won’t be controlled by a man”. Can you imagine a single young man claiming he refuses to marry because he “won’t be controlled by a woman”? Cue the accusations of sexism from the sexist police!
So by today’s standards, if “manning up” means committing to a lovely young wife who gladly presupposes motherhood and commitment to said young husband and father of their children, then “woman-ing-up” is defined as getting a degree, dedicating her efforts to her career and delaying child birth until she finally quits hitting the snooze button on her biological clock; and that’s if she has children at all. In other words, women have made the transition to manhood rather nicely, while men are transitioning to womanhood while kicking and screaming (with a bunch of “whining” as they say). Women want to be like men, but men don’t want to be like women. Womanhood has never been so unpopular. Imagine that!
If the combined Ivy League sheepskin of social scientists and cultural prognosticators have to have someone who barely graduated from high school, (yours truly), answer the simple question, “Where have all the men gone?” one must wonder about either the usefulness of a degree or the blind devotion to either chivalry or the power of feminist orthodoxy within the collective conscious of our “best intellectuals thinkers.” They stink, therefore they’re feminists.
“Where are they?” you ask. They’ve disengaged and disconnected faster than you can say “herbivore” because after all the ridicule, shaming, condemnation, discrimination and legal abuse society has inflicted on them as a group. They’ve simply decided to retreat and stop contributing. Call that “adolescent” if you’d like, (they really don’t care anymore, as they’ve been called worse). I call it a very natural reaction that’s long overdue. Because if the threat of “control” is the problem, he’ll gladly let go of the reigns and the horse that came with them without a shamed or regretful bone in his body.
When I was in 8th grade there was a tough girl that hung out with the tough guys who had it out for me. She would provoke me with insults, kicking and one time a hard whack across my face. She wanted to fight me, “call me out.” Had I agreed I would have been ridiculed for beating up a girl, (and beaten up by her enforcement crew as well). Had I said “no” I would have been ridiculed for being a coward (or ironically a “pussy”) to not agree to fight a girl.
Eventually I had to “man-up” and make a decision one way or the other or the taunting would continue, so I decided NOT agreeing to fight was the best choice of two evils. I disengaged from the proposed battle because either way I was gonna lose; it was just a matter of deciding by how much. By that time I was numb to the pain shaming brings with it anyway, the emotional nerve endings scarred over as it were, so I didn’t care what they had to say, I just ignored them and eventually they began to ignore me. I declared the game over and conceded, much to their disappointment.
Such is the plight of the modern young man. If he fights/competes against woman (and her enforcers) he loses and if he turns his back to her (and her enforcers) he loses. The difference now is that he’s shamed and ridiculed to the point of being impervious to it. He’s declared the game over (Hannah Rosin would agree), and he’s conceded because while he might meet the definition of being a “man,” HE knows WHO he is, and that’s someone who won’t be taken for a TOOL…
…much to their disappointment.
Written by keyster
One does wonder if or when sanity will eventually rule and the reality will finally sharpen their witless minds. Is it possible to finally comprehend the fact that the ongoing bastardisation of men and boys will have a long term and possible disasterous affect on all in society. By destroying the major driving force in society for the sake of the female ego does make you wonder what level of stupidity will be the next goal..
Continual and endless efforts by talking heads and chattering classes demanding that men "man up" just to ensure his own downfall to their way of thinking has apparently a positive side and that woud be the opportunity to service that same sex who is determined to destroy it via insane laws and mindless demands..
They have yet to comprehend the irony as desperation rises and more and more Men opt out of the "manacled" market..
John the Other explains if nicely..
Hear the Lamentation of the Women
Some readers might notice that the style of this piece is similar to that of AVfM contributor Manuel Dexter. Several readers on the site are already aware that JtO has been publishing under the M.D. byline for about a year. The reason for this was harassment of Mr Other by individuals whose actions threatened his employment. The circumstances making this form of harassment no longer remain – and past articles previously posted by Manuel Dexter will soon be correctly listed under this byline
I‘ve been told repeatedly in person and print that in addition to my biology and sexual identity making me a bad person, I also hate women. This is the definition of a misogynist, which due to my sexual preferences; I am.Jill F. who writes for the ideological feminist website feministe-dot-com stated in her article “Dealbreaker indeed”: men who prefer to not perform oral sex on bleeding lady-parts are misogynists. Okay, add that to the list.It’s a long list – one which has grown continuously during my lifetime. Another ideologue recently issued a fatwa on men whose moral failures manifest in facial hair. Amanda Marcotte’s complaint is Beards. She wrote on pandagon [dot] net: “Hate ‘em. I don’t mean like a couple day’s stubble that you routinely remove, but like a full-on beard. It’s not like I wouldn’t be friends with a guy with a beard, but kissing a dude with a beard puts me way off.”
Okay Amanda, not liking beards is your choice – but you’re not really talking about what you want in a man, you’re talking about what you’d like to be socially verbotten in the larger framework of our culture. I’ll add that to the list, too. Certainly Marcotte is an idiot, which argues against taking anything she writes too seriously. But she does draw a large audience – considerably larger than anything AVfM has managed, so far.
A more aggressive inventory of supposed male failure includes the recently popular article by an anonymous ideologue titled “a man is a rape supporter if..,” This list includes a number of entirely nonviolent, normal and healthy activities and attitudes – and conflates them with rape. The list isn’t worth fisking – but serves to re-frame the old lie “all men are rapists” into a format which wont result in immediate dismissal. Debunking the individual points of the list is the intent of the author – since it is debunking which creates engagement with the underlying lie, that all men are rapists.
Meanwhile, within the media – a rising chorus of “man up” can be heard from traditionalists, social conservatives – particularly women. Men: put down the remote, go get a job and get back to paying for women’s stuff. Aren’t you a “real man?” The problem as perceived is that increasing numbers of men are opting out of the old game of self sacrifice on behalf of a feminized public discounting the humanity of male human beings.
A certain amount of shrill panic is evident in the “failure to launch,” rhetoric. Most fielding versions of this argument are themselves failing to understand why their comfortable reality is collapsing.
Almost all public rhetoric critical of men is shaming language – condemnation of men for “failure” to meet the criteria of what a real man should be, as defined by those who benefit from men’s attempts to conform. As the tenor of our culture’s “man up” message becomes more shrill, it also becomes less effective. This diminishing effect is not merely due to monotony of the “be a real man” message – it’s also because under that accusatory and shaming message is a foundation built on increasingly false assumption.
C-ya
Actually, they’re not saying that openly, because for this growing fraction of men, public opinion is irrelevant. Traditionalists moaning about the diminishing number of men self sacrificing to keep everybody else’s convenience paid or and running have not yet figured out that the game of shame and prestige doesn’t work when the benefits of social conformity to the role of protector and provider has no benefit except an early death and ongoing vilification of masculine identity.
Thanks to 50 years of ascendency of the faux-humanist ideology of feminism – men are increasingly despised, legally and socially marginalized and indentured as a class of disposable servants in western cultures. They are finally opting out. Meanwhile, the rest of our society is crapping it’s collective pants. Social conservatives recognize that men abdicating their role as disposable labor, money and sperm dispenser have the potential to collapse national economies. These so-cons are trying with growing desperation to shame them back onto the treadmill.
Some opponents of the growing phenomenon of “Free-Range-Men” (term coined by Zed on The Spearhead) will dismiss the characterization of feminist panic as a desperate attempt to shame men into “going back to paying for women’s shit and being disposable”.
This dismissal is easy to evaluate. Penny Nance – the CEO of “Concerned Women of America” said in an interview on Fox News “ Concerned women for America is the nation’s largest public policy organization and we love men. We support men and we’re rooting for them – we think they’re an essential part of the American family. However we want them to feel the pressure to achieve , to put down the remote, to go find a job, to get their education, to build their faith and character” (emphasis mine) … “so walk away from the remote and get busy guys.”
Nance stated clearly she knows that men are walking away from the traditionally allowed role as protector and provider, adding: “we need them, all the social science together points to the fact that dads are essential in the home, they’re essential in the family. We want them to do a great job now, when they’re young learning how to provide, so that when they are dads they can really be there for their families.”
Men opting out are characterized as if this is failure to grow up, or Peter-Pan syndrome – and this is where even alert members of the media are missing the picture.
Men opting out have not failed to grow up, in fact, they’re to be admired as the only self actualized, and self defined men in our culture. They’ve seen through the smog of lies used to con “real men” into the destructive role as feminism’s enablers and enforcers. For increasing numbers of these men, the shaming language, Peter-pan-syndrome accusations and “man up” rhetoric is actually a source of entertainment.
Under any label, I do know that proponents and adherents of big feminism, along with establish social conservatives and traditionalists, while they don’t fully grasp the MRM or free-range men – they are terrified by us, and with good reason.
Whatever you chose to call them, zeta males, Free-Range-Males (FRMs), or grass-eating-boys, the panicky flapping of feminists, white knights, and other subspecies of social conservatives is hilarious to these men going their own way. The hilarity of those complaining about “boy-men” comes from watching them struggle to grasp cause and effect in shifting social landscape populated by a growing culture of free-range-men who cannot be controlled by any traditional carrot or stick.These are men who are a self educating and organizing force of opposition to traditional social conventions which have rendered “men” as disposable beasts of burden.Until this point in the discussion, I’ve been referring to variously named zeta males in the third person – as “them”. However, I’m one of these men, and have arrived at my present self identification through self education and participation in the still- early stage men’s rights movement; a social phenomenon which may take on a wholly new character and name.
Under any label, I do know that proponents and adherents of big feminism, along with establish social conservatives and traditionalists, while they don’t fully grasp the MRM or free-range men – they are terrified by us, and with good reason. The established feminist-social-conservative framework has served to benefit, protect, and elevate women at the expense of male self actualization, and male lives. We are changing that landscape to suit ourselves, but not by educating anyone in the mainstream – or by convincing the blue pill public that male human beings are indeed also humans rather than appliances. These changes are the natural byproduct of the simple existence of a growing culture of self-actualized men.
“Manning up”, as social commentators in mainstream media would characterize it is a sick racket with no benefit except approval from a public who discount the humanity of men in favour of male utility. Refusal to buy into this worthless game requires no apology. The bleating and ridicule from anyone attempting to impose an “correct” definition of acceptable masculine identity or action is rightly treated by Free Range Men with amused contempt. To these slow moving ideologues, I’ll offer one suggestion: Cry some more.
Written by John the Other
The Delusion Women Continue to Perpetuate
From the MGTOW site, link on title..
| Absolutely, women mature sometime soon.. |
The penchant now is for women to work in the slave trade (the office) and do all those nifty things like party, travel, fornicate until they are thirty and then consider the next step, which is ofcourse, the picket fence and spawning. Unfortunately there are quite a few problems with that aim, goal and target..
Thirty year old women are already three years past their prime breeding apex. which according to those that know, is indeed when a female is precisely twenty seven years old and nothing short of a miracle will change that natural phenomenon..
A thirty something female would be looking to settle with an older male preferably within five years plus of her own DOB, will totally refuse to marry down or even sideways if she can help it as she is now planning to spawn and requires an atm or some sucker to foot the expenses bill as she has blown hers on travel, partying clothes and possibly, surgery, to enhance those bumps which will sooner than later, fail to defy gravity..
| Where is your ATM card dear.. |
Plus the men in question have already witnessed or been part of a previous divorce court reaming or have a relative who has gone through the same who may or may not be above ground, he may have a problem doing it all over again. As a matter of fact, the way things are panning out, men are going their own way rather than behaving in the predetermined fashion of yesteryear and in most cases at that age they are avoiding any attempt of walking down the isle with more major resistance brewing. So good luck girls, should have stayed with that one back at college or work a decade back cause you don't have that same sex appeal now..
See the problem. One side we have feminists who are loathed to not only give out good advice as they never have; will continually flood the market with their drivel that no thinking individual should even contemplate.
Feminists are hardly experts on marriage or kids or relationships or humans for that matter but they do claim to be. They make demands on females to continue working until they either die of exhaustion or retire, whichever comes first and the need for her to even consider a relationship or breeding is foreign to those cretins but try they do and to some degree, as we can read in the media, when some dimwitted female finally wakes up and realises that she has been conned and screwed over, good..
Conned and screwed over good = FALT (Feminists are like that)
Feminists are basically marketing women, they have made women a commodity to be bought and sold to the highest bidder while they claim to be the nurse who is there to care for their health and wellbeing. What a con job, this is the same crowd that lied about the "50 is the new 30" that was so believable that it generated the "Cougar"
Fascinating and from my POV, it will be an absolute riot to watch as tragedy always introduces the best comedy. We watch and wait for the inevitable outcome and the carnage it will leave for another generation of guidable females who would rather fantasise than face reality..