Aural Sculptors - The Stranglers Live 1976 to the Present


Welcome to Aural Sculptors, a blog aimed at bringing the music of The Stranglers to as wide an audience as possible. Whilst all of the various members of the band that have passed through the ranks since 1974 are accomplished studio musicians, it is on stage where the band have for me had their biggest impact.

As a collector of their live recordings for many years I want to share some of the better quality material with other fans. By selecting the higher quality recordings I hope to present The Stranglers in the best possible light for the benefit of those less familiar with their material than the hardcore fan.

Needless to say, this site will steer well clear of any officially released material. As well as live gigs, I will post demos, radio interviews and anything else that I feel may be of interest.

In addition, occasionally I will post material by other bands, related or otherwise, that mean a lot to me.

Your comments and/or contributions are most welcome. Please email me at adrianandrews@myyahoo.com.


Showing posts with label Rock Against Racism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Rock Against Racism. Show all posts

Monday, 5 September 2022

Babylon's Burning: Music, Subcultures and Anti-Fascism in Britain 1958-2020 by Rick Blackman

 


I don't usually go in for the business of reviewing books on the Aural Sculptors site but I stumbled across this book in Piccadilly the other day that is so aligned to by point of view that I thought that I would bring it to the attention of others who may wish to read it too.

For anyone interested in the utilization of popular music in the never ending fight against the far right in the UK, 'Babylon's Burning' is an essential read, a perfect accompaniment to 'Walls Come Tumbling Down' (a history of Rock Against Racism, Two-Tone and Red Wedge'). 'Babylon's Burning' takes the latter book's historical narrative a stage further back, to the 1950's at a time when immigration numbers were increasing as West Indians responded to the then Government's request to come to the UK to work in the struggling service industries. At that time Teddy Boy violence in the Notting Hill area of London prompted the creation of 'The Stars Campaign for Inter-racial Friendship', a collective of artists, predominantly from the UK jazz scene, including husband and wife, Johnny Dankworth and Cleo Laine along with Humphrey Littleton. Whilst the pioneering efforts of SCIF were on a relatively small scale they did achieve a few notable successes, a high profile feature on the BBC's highly respected and widely viewed current affairs program 'Panorama', and articles in their newsletter from two of the biggest music stars of the day, Frank Sinatra and Paul Robeson. Sinatra took a significant career risk in  being so vocal about the need for racial tolerance. America at that time was highly segregated along racial lines and the Civil Rights struggle was still ahead of them. SCIF established the 'Harmony Club', a social centre, in Notting Hill, just a few doors down from the offices of the far-right organisation, 'The White Defence League'. These were courageous actions for the time I think.

As is usually the case with extreme political factions of either side, there is a tendency for in-fighting to periodically render such groups impotent and this has indeed been the pattern seen across far right groups over the past 50 years or so. Organised resistance to far right popularity and their associated organisations (be they focussed on street level agitation or electoral successes) has ebbed and flowed in time with the rise and fall of parties on the far right. So whilst at no time since the 1950's have racial tensions left our towns and cities, there have been peaks and troughs in terms of the intensity of those tensions.

Another surge in popularity of fascism in the UK was triggered by Enoch Powell's incendiary speech that he delivered in Birmingham in 1968. In what has since become known as the 'Rivers of Blood' speech he called for and end to immigration and introduction of a programme of repatriation. The speech saw him suspended from the Conservative Party and yet his words had ignited passions in many that spelled trouble.

Eight years later in 1976, a drunken, rambling tirade delivered by Eric Clapton from a Birmingham stage set in motion the biggest collaboration of music and politics in the name of anti-racism that had yet to be seen in the UK. Clapton's abusive rant prompted activist Red Saunders to write into the letters page of 'Melody Maker' . Eric was derided for his words and the fact that such opinions from a man who had built a career on the back of the talents of far less well known African American blues men were bullshit. The letter closed with an invitation to all those who wished to do something positive in opposition to the rising tide of far right opinion to contact 'Rock Against Racism' (address supplied). The inception of RAR was really as low key as a single letter on a UK music weekly!

Interest in this nascent musical/political movement spread extremely rapidly throughout the country. Interested individuals who contacted RAR's small staff in London were provided with quantities of badges, stickers and leaflets and informed that they were now RAR in their respective towns. The approach was very D.I.Y. and improvised and as such it was very much aligned with the then emerging punk scene. RAR also greatly benefitted from the fact that these new, young punks, followers of the latest counter-culture youth movement were naturally drawn towards reggae (prior to the new punk bands getting signed there was no punk music to play in clubs, so DJ's, perhaps most notably Don Letts at the Roxy, filled the gaps between bands by spinning reggae discs). That both followers of both punk and reggae had outsider status foisted upon them played perfectly into RAR's hands. Bob Marley, perhaps the biggest recording artist in the world in 1977, acknowledged this coming together of minds in his 'Punky, Reggae Party', the B-side to 'Jamming' which reached number 9 in the UK charts that year.

'New wave, new craze (Punky punky punk)
New wave, new wave, new phrase (Punky punky punk)

I'm saying
The Wailers will be there
The Damned, The Jam, The Clash
Maytals will be there
Dr. Feelgood too'

This mutual audience appreciation of both punk and reggae meant that RAR gigs could routinely be set up black and white bands appearing on the same bill.... the perfect embodiment of music triumphant over racial intolerance.

Stages were set for a monumental struggle of RAR and its supporters with the high profile far right organisations of the day, the National Front (NF) and the British Movement (BM).

The RAR message was voiced through its magazine 'Temporary Hording' which ran to 14 issues from 1977 to 1981. Extensive use of photomontage and battered typewriters echoed the DIY style of punk fanzines to which the intended audience could instantly relate.



RAR's reach was extensive and the gigs that were staged in its name ranged from low key gigs in provincial towns to high profile carnival events (those held in London and Manchester being the most prominent). In 1979, RAR staged the 'Militant Entertainment Tour' in a similar style to the package tours of the 1960's.


As the book points out very clearly, this level of intense activity at all levels served as an effective message to youth drawn to the far right that the NF and BM would be opposed whenever and wherever they sought to gather.

In the election year of 1979 the National Front (whose emphasis was on gaining Parliamentary seats more than street level confrontation) fielded their highest ever number of candidates but to no avail. They faired disastrously,  some would say because Margaret Thatcher's Conservative Party purloined elements of NF policy relevant to issues of race and immigration and in doing so won the votes of a sizable proportion of the electorate who would have otherwise opted for the National Front. It was a blow from which the NF never recovered.

Smaller campaigns filled the gap in the '80's and '90's, one being Cable Street Beat, some of whose gigs I remember very well, but it wasn't until the 2000's when the forces of music and left wing politics combined again as the next thing in far right politics, namely the English Defence League (EDL) came to prominence. This time the same racial hatred was directed at a different target to previous groups, Muslims. Thus the 'Love Music Hate Racism' organisation came into being, with involvement of some of the same activists that had been the driving force behind RAR. 

'Babylon's Burning' concludes with thoughts on the legacy of the SCIF, RAR and LMHR organisations and campaigns. Did RAR's efforts result in the demise of the National Front, probably not, in the same way that a February 1978 speech by Margaret Thatcher addressing widely held national concerns about immigration did not in one stroke floor the NFs best chance of political headway. The factors in play were multifaceted and highly complex. However, the existence of RAR was undoubtedly a thorn in the side of the NF and BM and it undoubtedly changed the political outlook of some of Britain's disaffected youth who otherwise could have become foot soldiers of the far right.

In 1981 RAR was wound up with a high profile gig by The Specials in Leeds. For Red Saunders the emergence of Two Tone that saw black and white bands not only sharing the same bill but also saw black and white musicians performing in the same band was validation for everything that RAR had been striving to achieve since its inception back in 1976.


The Specials, RAR/ANL carnival, Potternewton Park, Leeds, 1981 (Syd Shelton)

Saturday, 4 April 2020

Master-Minding The Militant Roadshow - RAR On The Road New Musical Express 31st March 1979

Clockwise from the top: The audience at West Runton Pavilion (20th March 1979), Irate Kate (RAR Offices), The Ruts, Red Saunders and Syd Shelton, Misty in Roots.


With just one more working day to go -until the kick-off of Rock Against Racism's most ambitious venture to date the 90-odd band, month-long Militant Entertainment tour - RAR's cramped North London headquarters is on red alert.

Bouncy RAR staffer Irate Kate (who's nothing of the sort) is putting the finishing touches to booking hotels for all concerned – no mean task when you consider she has had to arrange accommodation for several hundred people in a bewildering variety of 40-strong entourages.

The four-bands-a-night line-up is completely changed every fourth night, and no two line-ups are the
same, as a different local band is brought in each night to augment each block of three bands.

"There have been some difficulties booking 40 people into one hotel. If a hotel objects to having us, they object 'cause it's a bunch of pop groups," she says with characteristic good nature.

'''We don't say RAR are coming to beat up the NF in your town," she adds, smiling.

The thought of Kate beating up anybody is difficult to imagine. She's a friendly, wholesome looking 19-year-old who's "supposed to be doing my A-levels". Instead she's the mainstay of the RAR office. Until October she ran the office on her own, but a growth in RAR's activities has meant that two others have given up their day-time jobs to not only hold the RAR fort to make sure that the 100 or so letters RAR receive a day are answered, eventually, and that the worldwide orders for RAR badges, T-shirts, stickers and posters are dealt with as promptly as possible.

RAR receive mail from lands as varied as Japan and Scandinavia. Of late there's been a marked upsurge in communiques from America which RAR put down to The Clash's recent tour.

And that's only half the work-load, for RAR's primary function, other than to rid the isle of rancid racism, is to put on gigs. Since their inception nigh on three years ago they have staged over
800 gigs, but the current tour, involving the kind of logistics that would give even an experienced
promoter a headache, is by far the most significant project.

"A tour like this will put us on the map," opines John Dennis, who along with Wayne is the other full-time RAR office worker. He adds matter-of-factly : " This is just the start of RAR in rock terms."

A former adventure playground leader, Dennis is the only one of the crew wedged into RAR's office this Thursday afternoon who comes close to fulfilling any preconceived notions people may have about RAR being "a bunch of earnest politicos".

Tall and thin, with striking angular features, he has the air of a consumptive romantic poet.

Neither he nor his two colleagues are remotely punky. There isn't a leather jacket between them, let
alone a pair of bondage strides. Of late this trio have been working a 13 hour day seven days a week to ensure that all goes off according to plan on the tour.

Also present is RAR initiator Red Saunders - a garrulous gent of Falstaffian girth, a trifle 'paranoid' and fond of using left wing slogans - and three 'temporary helpers'. There are two girls, one who types out copy for the latest edition of Temporary Hoarding, read aloud by Red, and Jane (I think) whose job it is to enter mail order sales of RAR 'product' (badges, posters, T-shirts) into an accounts book.

There is also Alan, a disarmingly callow-looking member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces who's set for his first-ever tour of Northern Ireland. He deals with the out-going mail.

In the last five months sales of RAR 'product' have amounted to £7,300.

"The sales go up and down," Jane tells me. "Obviously they increase after a carnival, but the maximum is about £6-700 a week."

To get any more accurate picture of the finances is impossible without further investigation into the organisation's out-goings. Certainly the rent of the office is not high - £5 a week – and neither is the amount spent on staff wages.

Until three weeks ago Kate, John and Wayne were paid a pittance, but this was increased three-fold to a figure in the region of what the ambulance drivers were being paid before their strike.

Red's contribution to the RAR effort is entirely voluntary, although temporary helpers are paid expenses. 'We want to avoid the martyr syndrome," explains Kate. At present they have a solicitor engaged in doing the work which is necessary for RAR to become an official tax company.

The bulk of the organisation's income comes from the sale of their fortunately ubiquitous badge. Little money is made from gigs.

"What money we do make," says Kate, "is always used to finance the next gig."

Right now they have around £1000 in their bank account which is kept at the Co-op, as much for geographical convenience as for reasons of ideology.

This, as Red is eager to point out, doesn't just sit there. And RAR are hoping to save up enough money to buy permanent premises. They've got their eyes on a building in Finsbury Park which they hope could double as a dispatch office and as a record shop. Kate, perhaps a little naively, also sees it as a place where fans could hang out before going to the Rainbow.

RAR have occupied their current office for the past two months. Since their inception they've worked from a variety of locations in the metropolis, starting out at Red's photographic studio.

The Militant Entertainment tour is, to put it mildly, a strain on the RAR finances. So much so that Kate's father magnanimously agreed to stand as guarantor for a £750 overdraft. Similarly other monies have been borrowed from friends and supporters.

No donations to any political parties are made from RAR's funds, the money instead going to keep the wheels turning and to further the cause.

"It doesn't all get put in a bag and put on the 8.15 to Prague," says Red caustically.

One other source of income that in Red's words is "something of a red herring" is the question of RAR membership. For a £1 it is possible to actually join for life and RAR estimate that 3,500 supporters have done just that.

Apart from life membership one gets a 'free' badge and reduced admission to RAR gigs. But, they point out, most 'kids' can't afford to layout a quid on life membership, and instead just purchase a badge or a sticker.

This question of membership is being raised at RAR's July conference . It seems that one can belong to the organisation without forking out the necessary green one, as is illustrated by the fact that Leeds RAR has some 500 members each of whom is entitled to badges etc and admission to gigs at concession rates.

One other feature of the organisation that needs to be dealt with is Temporary Hoarding. Apparently this isn't produced from the North London base. All contributors, who include John Dennis, work for it for free, and one potential source of revenue RAR refuse to milk on political grounds is selling advertising space to record companies.

They are currently trying to find a major distributor for Hoarding, but so far have found that all the major publishers they've approached have refused to touch it because they're afraid it would attract too many libels. Penguin Books are, however, interested in publishing a Temporpry Hoarding book and a deal is currently being negotiated.

An atmosphere of thriving chaos reigns this Thursday afternoon in the RAR office. The clutter is such that it's almost impossible to walk unimpeded around the four jammed-together desks that occupy most of the space. Lord only knows how Jane's three-month old baby manages to sleep through the cacophony of work. As Red opines: "You have to have an incredible sense of humour to work for us."

FIVE days later and Militant Entertainment has reached its third stop, a tiny village on the Norfolk coast called West Runton - a generous spit from the better-known seaside resort of Cromer, renowned for its crab .

The gig is The Pavilion, a prefabricated building whose one concession to rock culture is a dire sub-Roger Dean mural behind the stage. Despite its seeming unsuitability for rock and roll these days the West Runton Pavilion is Norfolk's leading rock venue. And a glance at the upcoming attractions proves that whoever runs the place knows his business.

With Cambridge and Leicester under their belts respectively RAR are in fairly good spirits, though tired and in John Dennis's case (he is in charge of finance) a little harrassed. The only casualty so far is Wayne's black eye.

Wayne had intervened to –restore the peace after one of RAR's security men became overzealous outside Leicester Poly the previous night (Monday), only to be mistaken for a bouncer himself which
in some thug's eyes was enough justification to take a smack at him.

On the road RAR have an eight-man, sorry, person team, and throughout the tour are relying extensively on the local RAR groups.

"We're fortunate in that we only have to deal with the bureauocracy, says Wayne referring to the London office's role in the shindig. It does seem, however, that HQ has taken all the major decisions regarding the tour.

Given that the priority was to play towns where the National Front plans to stand a candidate at the imminent General Election, the local RAR groups suggested potential venues and dates, as well as selecting which local band should play, after which Wayne did a personal reconnaissance of all the venues to confirm their suitability.

Though each 'official' has a definite role to play in the tour (Red Saunders for instance, is the tour's Master Of Ceremonies, a role which he clearly relishes)  no-one ultimately in charge of the operation.

"We're a collective," emphasised Saunders. And obviously in the best spirit of collectivisation no-one shirks at doing a stint on the RAR stall; The Gang Of Four's maverick drummer was even helping out.

As for the choice of bands, this, says Kate, was "deeply debated" by the committee, Wayne and John actually dealing with the bookings. Despite the excellence of the bill there does seem to be an absence of 'name' acts.

Says John : "We wanted to get away from the bands we knew could draw."

Wayne echoes his colleague : " We've deliberately gone for smaller bands. It's very much in the RAR tradition. We were among the first to book Generation X, Tom Robinson and Stiff Little Fingers. We started out booking those bands." And John again : " We're there to support new bands and they're there to support us."

Nevertheless, attempts to contact some 'name' acts like Public Image Limited, The Clash, and X Ray Spex - and even John Cooper Clarke - with a view to playing the tour proved difficult. RAR were particularly miffed at  The Members' attitude towards doing Militant Entertainment since they had, after all, given The Members their first London gig .

RAR, though, are inclined to blame those who surround these bands, rather than the individual musicians themselves. They do say that getting in touch with Joe Strummer isn't as easy as it was; The Clash apparently couldn't do the tour because of their difficulties with Bernard Rhodes. Kate, for one, would have liked Ian Dury on the tour.

Perhaps I'm being over-jaundiced, but it does seem in at least some cases that bands only play RAR gigs because there's something in it for them. On the other hand there is RAR's attitude, a somewhat egotistical one at that goes along the lines of " It's not The Clash playing such and such a place, it's RAR playing . .. "

John Dennis brings up the fact that Elton John said in last year's marathon NME interview that he would like to do an RAR gig . "It's like him too," he says with an utter lack of conviction. He explains that he prefers to book punk and reggae bands because that's how RAR started and it's these acts which RAR feel a lot in common with.

"We've grown with new wave," he says.

Surely Elton playing a gig would do more for the movement than, say, Misty or whoever in terms of publicity alone. Or is RAR afraid at having some of the thunder stolen from them? Perhaps I'm being
churlish ...

How about  the claims of inefficency that have been made by some bands playing RAR gigs?  "We're an organisation of rock fans who're doing it ourselves. When you look at the rock scene there aren't many organisations trying to help consumers," says John. "So there are going to be mistakes."

" It's true we're not efficient," says another of the collective. "And we're proud of it."

Originally the idea was for the bands to play for expenses only, but this was scotched in favour of splitting the profit four ways – 25 per cent to each of the three 'headlining bands' (the billing alternates so that each of the three bands gets to top the bill) and 25 per cent to RAR - where and when money was made on the gate.

I forgot to ask what, if anything the local group gets out of it, other than exposure.

No-one in the RAR set-up expects the tour to make money; to break even is all they're hoping for.

"If we were to look at it economically we wouldn't have looked at it at all: ' explains John. One sop for the band is that where-ever possible the entourage will stay at decent hotels. "We can't shit on the bands in both ways," is how Wayne puts it. "If they're not going to get any money then the least we can do is to give them a hotel room with a bathroom."

Last night the entourage, and it included everyone, stayed in the comfort of Leicester's Post House Hotel.

This far into the tour it's impossible to see how things are going to work out financially, but with money made at Cambridge and lost at Leicester things are working out pretty much as expected.

"The bigger gigs, like Leeds should subsidise the smaller ones like Newport," says Wayne. And no-one is expecting to make money in the wilds of Norfolk on a Tuesday night.

To cut costs universities and polytechnics are letting RAR have the use of their halls entirely free. Star Hire, the PA company, have agreed to work for 30 per cent less than their usual fee. Consequently they're working with a crew of three instead of their normal six-man operation.

''I'm so tired I can hardly talk straight," one of them told me. "Four bands playing in four hours is a very tight schedule. It's like a first night every night."

Star Hire work a great deal with reggae acts, and have received several threatening calls-from people claiming to represent the NF. Moreover a Mightly Sparrow gig at the Rainbow in December, where Star Hire were working, had to be called off after a bomb hoax believed to be the work of the NF.

With so small a crew the RAR team is doubling as roadies. To add further to the collective effort, two Eastern Counties bus drivers have agreed to drive two double-decker busloads of fans the 20 miles or so from Norwich for free. Shame their employees couldn't be as generous. The Norwich branch of RAR have had to hire the buses at £90 apiece.

Brace yourself North Norfolk, London punks are decending (or a couple of 'em at least)

On the final night of the Gang Of Four, Misty, The Ruts line-up, The Ruts are topping. Second on, Gang Of Four (local outfit The-Pain Killers opened - unfortunately I missed them) are given the kind of reception usually reserved for the closing act. The Pavilion is far from full, but the audience seem more than willing to make up in energy for the lack of numbers.

Halfway through the evening RAR are convinced they stand to lose at least £200 on the night, but despite this and the prospect of a six-hour drive back to London their spirits rise - Red's aided by more than the odd beer - as the music culminates in a truely devastating performance from The Ruts.

More than one record company A&R man was spotted the previous night at Leicester and A&R
person/producer MuffWinwood is sniffing out tonight's action. If he isn't impressed by The Ruts then his ears should be removed just as soon as he can fix up an appointment.

Malcolm Owen and Paul Fox
West Runton Pavilion 20th March 1979

Following hard (and I mean HARD) on the heels of the too sanguine Misty (no malice intended, but if this is what ganja does for you, forget it). The Ruts start the way they go on – with enough energy to fuel the entire Concorde fleet.

They slip with awesome ease from what can perhaps be best described as psychedelic punk (shades of Hendrix) to the kind of reggae that ought to have Misty wincing into their Rasta nosh. As the Gang of Four are about to tie the knot with EMI or CBS, The Ruts are apparently about to sign with Virgin: Mark thee, The Ruts will be enormous.

Malcom slays Segs! Red Saunders looks on amused
West Runton Pavilion 20th March 1979

Actually Misty just about aquitted themselves in the all-bands-together encore. Jamming on a reggae chant of 'Rock Against Racism', they lead what seems like half the entire audience through a genuinely moving number, so full of good vibes I'm surprised that John and Yoko didn’t materialise in a bag singing the 'Give Peace A Chance' refrain'.

"Peace and Love", intoned one of Misty's singers. What with Red Saunders giving the audience and it must be said nearly falling on his butt in the process...... one of those "The only way this is possible is because of you the people out there" raps, I was reminded of similar so-called 'hippy' beanos.

All the more a shame then, that one lout had to disgrace himself on his way out of the building by
assaulting the kid selling the Socialist Worker's Party's Rebel mag.

Evidently the message hadn't got through to everyone.

Wednesday, 12 October 2016

Ruts DC -Exclusive Interview for Aural Sculptors



As I write this piece, the evenings are drawing in and despite some very welcome late sunshine in the past week or so, it is clear that the autumn is now undoubtedly upon us. One of the last hurrahs of this summer was the launch of the new Ruts DC album, 'Music Must Destroy' marked by a gig at Camden's Underworld.

Ruts DC at The Underworld Camden
16th September 2016
Photo: Andy Miller

In the studio, punk luminaries and collaborators past and present (Captain Sensible, Jake Burns, Kirk Brandon as well as self-confessed super fan, Henry Rollins) contributed to make a great multi-layered album, more diverse in its musical content than any other album that they have produced. In stark contrast to the wonderful 2013 album 'Rhythm Collision Volume 2', a follow up to 1982's 'Rhythm Collision, wait for it.... Volume 1', 'Music Must Destroy' sets aside the dub to return to a rock sound, making it a natural follow up to the dark brilliance of 1981's 'Animal Now' album.



Since coming back together in 2011, Ruts DC have been nothing if not prolific with two studio albums and a live album under their belts already, with a clutch of singles and an in depth biography to boot. In this wealth of new material both Segs and Ruffy have been resolute in the requirement that everything that they do must add to the legacy of The Ruts whilst moving the band ever forwards.

On our second meeting at The Fleece in Bristol several years ago Segs was genuinely put out that his pass made reference to The Ruts rather than Ruts DC, to the extent that he borrowed a marker pen in order to correct his pass. Such was his determination that the band should never be viewed as a punk nostalgia act! In those early gigs they made sure that they could never be pigeon holed as such by kicking off the set with tracks such as 'Whatever We Do' and 'Weak Heart' as well as a generous serving of material from 'Animal Now' thereby challenging a fair proportion of the audience there to see 'Babylon's Burning' and 'Staring At The Rude Boys' (which they got in the fullness of time).

The band's work since 2011 shouts out that they are back, still a bit miffed by what they see around them (to put it mildly) and more than ready to carry a banner for those that cannot voice dissent about the various failings of compassion, justice and humanity that afflict them.

It is not my intention to review the album here. For those that are interested, a couple of review pieces are featured on the bands official website (http://www.theruts.co.uk).

Late last month, Ruts DC were confirmed as support for The Stranglers UK ‘Classic Collection’ tour so for those that have yet to see Ruts DC, an original slice of the late ‘70’s punk scene, I would urge you to forgo that last pre-gig pint in the pub over the road in order to see the band.

Instead of reviewing the album I asked Ruffy if he and Segs would be happy to answer a few questions about The Ruts/Ruts DC then and now as well as the new album. They were very happy to do this, so over a pint I pulled together some questions for their consideration and sent them over to Ruts DC H.Q. A few days later the answers furnished by this here rhythm section entered my inbox.

So here we have an exclusive interview with Segs and Ruffy of Ruts DC for your edification.


Photo: Andy Miller


'Break Down The Walls In The Government Halls Shouldn't We?'

Aural Sculptors: ‘Music Must Destroy’ is the third studio album from Ruts DC, but as a rock album it is a natural successor to 1981’s ‘Animal Now’. Clearly produced under very different circumstances, how did the writing and recording processes differ between these two albums?

Ruffy: Well, a lot of the songs on “Animal Now” began before Malcolm died, Segsy, Paul Fox and I were writing while Malcolm was going AWOL with his addictions. He was becoming extremely unreliable and was not turning up for rehearsals, and so we carried on writing without him, of course we all hoped that he would sort himself out and return to the fold so to speak. In fact the weekend before he died we all met up in Clapham and discussed working again. 

Sadly he died on the following Monday and so the rest of the process of writing and recording were tainted by grief; not generally the best recipe for making our sort of music.

With this new album “Music Must Destroy” Segs and I have had 35 years of life and experience since recording  “Animal Now”. As you know, this incarnation of Ruts DC started playing gigs together in 2011 and since then we have been honing and sharpening up our live show.

We have not been in a rush to record a new rock album; we have waited until we had the right material.  We are totally aware of our heritage as well as the legacy of both Malcolm and Paul Fox. This time though there is no grieving.

It’s been a lot of hard work but ultimately worth it.

Segs: The prospect of writing a new Ruts DC “rock” album was a daunting one. I really never thought we would ever do it. After Rhythm Collision 2 we started gigging again, It was more reggae based obviously, so that we could play those tracks.

As we rehearsed, certain songs from Animal Now started to creep into the set. The natural progression was that as we jammed a few rocky type tunes –songs just developed –lyrics just came out. It was kind of how it was back in the old Ruts days at the squat where a lot of the tunes came from jams.

The time is always now.

Aural Sculptors: Your early career with The Ruts has featured prominently in the media in the last 12 months or so, with the success of the ‘Rock Against Racism’ book and exhibition and the recently published ‘Walls Come Tumbling Down’. Nearly 30 years on, how do you view your involvement with RAR and what do you think it achieved?

Ruffy: I think it made a difference to some individuals, I know this because I meet them and their grown up children at our shows. At this time I think that “People Unite” matters more now than ever before.

Segs: It’s been interesting doing interviews about the RAR days; people like to re-write the story to suit their agenda. It wasn’t all skinheads and fights, there was a lot of unity amongst those involved, we made some lifelong friends and that’s how we prefer to remember those days. It’s also about now. Certain issues have improved but others have been created. The fight continues.

Aural Sculptors: As musicians who in former times have been at the sharp end of record company machinations, how important is the concept of crowd funding to bands such as Ruts DC?

Ruffy: It’s been amazing; it has given us an opportunity to make the record we wanted to.
We are quite hard on ourselves and our quality control is high.  And top quality doesn’t come cheap! 

The way we make records now is totally different, we have no A&R people telling us to go this way or that and the whole process now is like making art rather than product. 

The individuals that pledge money drive me on to do the best work I possibly can, they have believed in us and laid their money down, It’s very humbling, so we do our very best for our people.

Segs: Imagine saying to 500 people –can you lend us £15 upwards and we’ll make an album –honestly! 
I have been taken aback really by the amount of faith and patience  –there have been a few sticky moments but it’s a great feeling to have delivered an album that most people are enjoying (apart from a few) ha!


'I've got something to show you, can you handle it?

When love comes as violence, you get used to it'

Aural Sculptors: Since coming back to us Ruts DC continue to rail against inequality and injustice, but the themes are now much broader than was the case in the band’s earlier material, ‘Mighty Soldier’ (on child soldiers) and ‘Second-Hand Child’ (focuses on the plight of children in abusive environments). Is this the result of broader horizons, as you have got older?

Ruffy: These songs all came about naturally, albeit after a great deal of soul searching, you can only write about what you feel and see and experience. I think there are enough people writing “blah, blah blah” we try to write consciously. I feel extremely fortunate to do what I love for a living, right now I have an opportunity to part of what I think is a great band again so it has to be real.

Segs: Older? Yes –wiser? I hope so. We’ve lived a lot more life for sure. Second Hand Child is about violent abuse and its about breaking the chain of that ongoing cycle .My friend has a “poignant” beer mat that says “Enjoy your pint –nobody knows you’re a wife beater.”


'Soft city lights, shining so bright come rescue me tonight'

Aural Sculptors: The song ‘Soft City Lights’ sounds to me like a response to ‘West One’ (I may be way off the mark I know!). Can you explain the origins of the song, and just who is the Executioner?

Ruffy: That’s interesting! It’s my wife’s favourite song and not “typical” of us at all, Leigh came in with the 12 string riff and we have been kicking the song about for more than a year. We decided that we would play the music we wanted on this record rather than just do one thing, for me it’s quite American sounding its quite poppy and a bit like the Byrds meet Tom Petty.

I’ll let Mr Segs answer the lyrical question.

Segs: It is like an unintentional continuation of West One as I’ve always related to Malcolm’s perspective in that song. I, for one am plagued by self-doubt although onstage and at gigs it may not come across like that. 

When we started going out with Ruts DC again it was like the “compliments raining down“ after the shows. The downside of that is that you can get that “confidence draining “ feeling. It’s a high /low thing. I think many people experience that but it’s a positive song about negativity.

The “Executioner “ is your own self doubt and or indeed the doubt of other people, your parents, your teachers, even your class, and just saying life’s too short to succumb to that. 

Aural Sculptors: Your long-standing collaborator, Henry Rollins, guests on the title track ‘Music Must Destroy’. How did this come about?

Ruffy: We asked him and he said yes!

Segs: As some may know, we did the show in 2007 with him and became friends. We’ve been to see his one man show on a few occasions now, It gets better and better.  Henry did his vocals in L.A, then I went up to Edinburgh festival  for the day so that we could film him for the Music Must Destroy video. He was kind enough to slot us in to his insanely busy schedule –and then went of to do his 2.5 hour show!

Aural Sculptors: Having now toured with the current line up as far afield as Australia and New Zealand, do you see any opportunities for the band to have another crack at the States, perhaps with Henry’s patronage?

Ruffy: I really hope so, we really want to but we don’t want to go as a nostalgic act. We are a proper group not a punk vaudeville act, yes, we are older but so what?  There is only one alternative to getting older! I think I’m a better musician now and I have managed to keep cynicism at bay, anyway what about Iggy? Mr Pop’s “Post Punk Depression” is one of his best albums.  With regard to the U.S though, I guess we are hoping for a vital U.S band to invite us to go on tour with them. You know who you are!

Segs: I’d love to  --- You know where we are !


'You've got me under psychic attack, making me feel I've got a knife in my back, I feel it twisting between my blades,
And it's taking me down, yes I'm down, yes I'm down'

Aural Sculptors: The first single from the album, ‘Psychic Attack’ has an intensity that harks back to the early days of The Ruts and takes the listener right into the head of the central character. Mental well-being is set to become one of society’s biggest health concerns of the 21st century. What’s the story behind this one?

Segs: It’s a song about pressure. Once you allow it in, it can start to spiral down and take you with it.
Down, down, down. With me, luckily it’s a temporary condition. One morning I just started singing the lyrics with a Damned /Iggy Pop type of band in my head.

At the same time one of my close friends was going through a hard time, basically, she was getting daily grief from somebody who thought he had the right to mentally torture her. The song just came together from there. Most people are quite fragile creatures you know.

Aural Sculptors: Of great excitement to me is the fact that Ruts DC are now the confirmed tour support for The Stranglers’ UK dates in March. Have the paths of the two bands crossed much since 1977?




Ruffy: I know them a little as I co-produced their “Norfolk Coast” album in 2004 which was good fun and I went to see them a couple of times in the last couple of years. Their show is really good and I’m looking forward to the tour.

Segs: Me too, I like doing supports short sharp and good fun. There’s still a lot of people out there that are unaware that we are out there in any form. Of course the Stranglers embrace many styles but are still loosely labelled as “Punk “ I think we should fit in there rather nicely.

Aural Sculptors: Donald or Hilary? 

Ruffy: Neither. 

Segs: Lethal business controls America.

My sincere thanks to Segs and Ruffy for taking the time to do this interview. See you soon!

'Golden boy, your future fighting with fate, tomorrow came too late'



Saturday, 17 October 2015

Crisis Music: The Cultural Politics of Rock Against Racism


A few weeks ago this title was brought to my attention through an article in the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/06/rock-against-racism-book-syd-shelton-clash

The book was originally published in 2009 and is steeply priced, but it appears to be due to be republished by Autograph (at least the photos of Syd Shelton) for a less wallet denting £30. For those in the London area there is also an exhibition.

http://autograph-abp.co.uk/exhibitions/rock-against-racism

The photographs are brilliant, including this wonderful shot of Terry and Neville from the Leeds 1981 RAR gig:

Terry Hall and Neville Staples of The Specials
Rock Against Racism and Anti-Nazi League Carnival
Potternewton Park, Leeds, 1981

The Beat
Coventry, 1981

Segs Jennings, The Ruts
Coventry, 1979